Talk:Keith Jardine

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[edit] Vardel/Valarde?

On the card where Keith Jardine fought Amir Rahnavardi, Keith was billed twice with different names: Keith Valarde during the tale of the tape, and after he won, Keith Vardel. Obviously neither of those are Jardine, so I was wondering if anyone had information on this. If it turns out to be worth mentioning, we can add it to the article. Thanks in advance. RedSkull619 04:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Stephen Bonnar fight

Probably a lot of quotes from people other than Jardine would be good. I've yet to meet or hear anyone in MMA that thinks Jardine did not win that fight. It's considered by many as one of the biggest judging screwups UFC history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.29.150 (talk) 09:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

In the context of this article, though, do not "say" it was a controversial decision; "SHOW" it. If you have citations to other people who complained about the decision (e.g. Dana White, Joe Rogan, etc.), then note that those people disagreed with the judges' decision. That will demonstrate the controversy objectively and survive WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. Gromlakh (talk) 09:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Dana white has said multiple times already that even he said the decision was terrible. Said it once on the TUF series on spike and again on the carmichael dave show. It's very, very well known as contraversial fight, but it happened a long time ago and finding working links will be nightmarish. That said, I know MMA and will revert you all day to keep the wiki truthful.66.190.29.150 (talk) 10:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I also believe it was a bad decision and that Jardine won. That's not the point. The point is that editing the page to simply say it was a "contraversial" (sic) decision is original research. You are the one saying it's controversial and you provide no support from anyone else. Read the provided link. If you can provide citations to where Dana White or someone else has criticized the decision, then do that. It would probably help the article. But do not engage in revert wars; they're disruptive and do nothing to advance your position. I would also point out for you the 3 revert rule, which you're dangerously close to violating. Please feel free to make constructive edits to the page (such as providing quotes from reliable sources on the outcome of the fight). But if you continue to simply revert to content that is in violation of long established Wikipedia policies, you risk being blocked from editing altogether. Gromlakh (talk) 10:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not original at all. The president of the UFC said so during TUF interviews that before the recent decision fight where he awarded both fighter the prize money for winning that the Jardine-Bonnar decision was the wrong one as well. Seems you have decided to deny facts and revert war instead of actually debating anything. You supposedly know about MMA yet you have no idea of the half a dozen or so big names in MMA saying it was one of the worst decisions ever? It's household name fight for being robbed in MMA.66.190.29.150 (talk) 00:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Provide a proper reference citation from a reliable source and it could probably stay in the article. Gromlakh (talk) 00:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)