Talk:Karabiner 98k

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[edit] Sources

So my edit regarding a source on a existing variant. I have but one question. Does every single assertion have sourced? We'd be in a footnote flood if it were. Seriously, that variant is commonly known. I've read books that have mentioned it. Veritas Panther 12:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I've never even seen a picture of this variant although it would seem that such an "exotic" variant would be mentioned in general overviews of this rifle. Maybe I'm being to prickish though as a folding stock variant would make sense for the German paras. --Sus scrofa 13:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Source contributed by Veritas Panther when retrieved on Feb 28 10:00 did not state that G 33/40 was Kar 98K direct variant, but said: "The G 33/40 was basically shortened version of K 98. ... ... It fired the same 7,92 mm round and had the same Mauser 98 action. However that is where the similarities end. The G 33/40 had several different parts that were not matching with the K98. These included bolt, stock, cleaning rod, sight hood cover, upper hand guard, barrel bands, sling and even the bayonet."

(It's quite understandeable while G 33/40 was based upon czechoslovak vz. 33 rifle and so it used bolt of czechoslovak army vz. 24 rifle which was not interchangeable with this of Kar 98k, and other modifications came from adaptation of G 33/40 primarily for mountain troops) Therefore I removed last edit by Veritas Panther. --ja_62 10:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wartime production

When you say "Wartime Production" do you refer to WWI or WWII?

WW2, obviously, since the rifle this article is talking about is the Kar98k, which was introduced in 1935. Kar98 04:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging?

I merged the other articles, but its still quite rough. Perhaps the whole thing should just be merged with Mauser? Gewhere 08:36, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldn't the specifications come before the Links?

I don't know how to fix it though...

[edit] Kar 98 and Russian winters

I heard numerous times that German precision backfired (pardon the pun) during the bitterly cold Russian winters. Extreme cold made the already close tolerances shrink to the point where the rifle would jam. Can anyone confirm this? - Emt147

Unlikely, or why would there have been a special winter trigger (to squeeze the trigger while wearing thick woolen mittens) to be used in extreme cold? Kar98 04:09, 30 January 2006

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The modified trigger does not disprove the story since the Kar98 was Germany's service rifle and they had no alternative but to do their best to make it work. What is more I've never heard of a special winter trigger but only a winter trigger guard which was indeed designed to allow firing with thick winter glvoes. I have also never heard any inkling that the Mauser has ever failed in that way due to extreme cold or for any other reason. To my knowledge the Mosin-Nagant the Russians used was not all that different in terms of "tolerances" than the Mauser design. The whole bit about making tolerances loose has a lot more to do with the AK-47/M-16 debate than it does with the history of WWII bolt action rifles. Carambola

Link to: winter trigger repro. Kar98 19:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Use by Portugal

Wasn't the Karabiner 98k used by Portugal from like 1936? I seem to remember reading it somewhere. --204.185.158.134 17:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, M/937.--81.197.218.62 17:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] False designation.

This article states that the pre-WWII version of the K98 was designated the K98k, which is false. The Mauser, Model 1898 was designated K98 through WWI and up until Hitler took power, at which point the barrel was shortened, under his instruction, and was then designated the K98k Karibiner model 1898, kurz [carbine, model 1898, short]. The original Model 1898 Mauser was much longer than the K98, thus the "carbine" being adopted, as was the same case with the adoption of the Mosin Nagant series of rifles by Imperial Russia / Soviet Union. The "carbine" version was adopted, as it was still very long and heavy.

i thought the ww1 gun was the Gewehr 98? No? plz tell me-

[edit] Difference in Tolerances.

A person above stated that the Mauser was not all that different in tolerances from the Mosin-Nagant, this is untrue. The Mosin Nagant rifle was designed and built to much looser tolerances than the Mauser. This is evident through their choice of a rimmed cartridge instead of the newer designs which would have required the machining in the rifles to be much more precise. The Mauser was built to very close tolerances, but there have never been any reports of the rifle jamming up or even backfiring in the Russian winter.

[edit] Karabiner 98K and China?

As I understand it the 98K was used agaisnt the Japanese by Chinese nationalist forces who were given and sold a large amount of German weapons by Hitler, to fight the communists. I mention it, because the 800 heroes were supposed to have been armed with mostly German arms. V. Joe 23:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oops

No, apparently the Chinese were mostly armed with Gehewr 98s. V. Joe 23:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

This isn't something noteworthy as dozens of other groups were armed with German bolt action rifles of various flavors during the time.--Asams10 00:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I have an Isralie 98K

The Waffenamt markings were not removed or the chamber markings as stated in the article. So when it as rebuilt and rechambered they just added the caliber change, I guess it was not done to all Nazi issue 98Ks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Web455 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Nazi Germany

Dear All,

what I really dislike is the term "Nazi Germany". Weapons designed in Germany should be described as "German". No one would refer to a Weapon designed in "Roosevelt-USA" or Churchill-UK.

Therefore "Place of origin" "Germany"!

Greetings to all Roland (owning a fine Mosin-Nagant-Rifle)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.238.45.252 (talk • contribs)

See Talk:Gewehr 43#Nazi Germany vs. Germany for a previous discussion of this subject.--Sus scrofa 15:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
hmmm, Hitler cannot really be compared with Churchill nor Roosevelt... :( Paris By Night 15:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] false statements about indochina war

this sentence about the french using nazi 98k is false! actually french and State of Vietnam (bao dai loyalist) 98k were viet minh captured! this vietnamese para holds a viet minh captured 98k bayonet. actually the nazi gave weapon (mostly Mauser) and trained the taiwanese army and these weapons were captured by Mao's communist army. then mao passed his captured weapon to his viet minh allies that ended on french and anti-communist vietnamese hands. Paris By Night 04:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

another one! (both reportages are coming from the French Defense Ministry archives ECPAD), this anticommunist vietnamese para holds a captured Karabiner 98k w/bayonet. please change the sentence, i have no time now. Paris By Night 04:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
i have corrected it, by the way may i remember you the US massively supplied the soviet with arms during WWII as they were fighting the nazi as well. Paris By Night 05:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New pic

just wanted to say i really like it, it shows u exactly what the gun is like which amny gun pictues dont do( like the one for the standard french military sniper rifle or sometin) good job whoever took it(ForeverDEAD 05:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] ok!

That was me. Thanks. The rifle pictured previously was a postwar Czech rifle, with slight differences from the true, original German version. I selected a photo of a typical midwar rifle of German manufacture, as I felt it was more in the spirit of showing what the article depicted. The rifle is a dot 1943, and is from my collection. (ditch68 12:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC))

Man your lucky to have such a nice rifle like that(ForeverDEAD 20:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Disassembly

would it be helpful to write disassembly instuctions for the K98? I would document it with pictures of my own prewar K98k. However, I am not sure if this falls under the scope of the article. please comment. --Boris Barowski 11:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

No, Disassembly involves pulling the lever on the outside of the receiver and pulling the bolt out. That doesn't seem to be relevant.--Asams10 12:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
you could disassemble it further, dismantle the bolt, remove the front rings and stock, trigger housing,... --Boris Barowski 13:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Downgraded

I downgraded this article because although there is a lot of information, not that much is referenced, which is required for B-class articles. I will look some stuff up, but hope that everyone can add fitting references too. Until then, I will leave this article "start" class.

[edit] Post-war production

Shouldn't the userbox's production info include the post-war K98k rifles produced by CZ & FN? — Red XIV (talk) 06:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)