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[edit] Half-Assed
Why is Emulinker noted as half-assed in the links? Wouldn't that violate NPOV?
- Probably because it was vandalism. In the future, you can fix it! Just click edit. Like you did to post here. --Golbez 15:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] VisualBoyAdvance Kaillera
Who said that VisualBoyAdvance has Kaillera? I searched on the net but couldn't find that version anywhere. - by Roma_emu 04:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, since no one has replied, I'll remove it... - by Roma_emu 03:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Don't know if you can download it any more, but i did have a copy of VBA that used Kaillera. 58.175.77.115 (talk) 05:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Kaillera / MAME
Kaillera violates the MAME copyright by linking to a closed source library.
please see http://haze.mameworld.info/2006/08/06/mame-on-wikipedia/
Here it is clearly stated that such builds are Illegal due to incompatible licenses.
Wikipedia policy is stated here as
“External sites can possibly violate copyright. Linking to copyrighted works is usually not a problem, as long as you have made a reasonable effort to determine that the page in question is not violating someone else’s copyright. If it is, please do not link to the page. ”
therfore the majority of this article is Illegal, and against Wiki policy, either because no reasonable effort was made to ensure that the links do not violate somebody else's copyright, or because the author knows and does not care that they do.
- If it's illegal, then either AFD it, edit it to remove the so-called illegal material, or send a formal legal request to the foundation. --Golbez 11:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- The ariticle itslef isn't illegal, and more than the 100s of other articles about illegal things (and hell, it's only illegal for MAME, not for the others). Linking to the official website might be. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 16:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
My $0.02: Have the MAMEdev people made a fuss about it? Wikipedia has articles that describe how to do things that are illegal in some jurisdictions (not to mention that many images and texts legal in the US are not legal to obtain elsewhere). I see the point here, but that Haze posting worries me - the posting maybe true (in that netplay versions of MAME are closed-source) but an open-source netplay library for MAME would be disapproved of as well. Ho boy --Edwin Herdman 21:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Overall structure
Ok...someone should edit it to make sure that the first couple of paragraphs make sense togeather. -Civi
[edit] Handheld Emulators
Roma emu needs to learn the difference between emulation and simulation. Similar thing was posted here before but is really irrelevant to kaillera. Things work the opposite ways. Its more like his emulator designs are not good enough to use packages like kaillera. For your emulator problem, I guess you've never heard the word encoding before. I would be surprised if your handheld system sent all that data in parallel rather than serially at 3 or 1 bits per turn. Not even going as far as that, 2 bytes is enough to encode 15 different keys and 32768 different operandless functions. As an example, see your emulated system processor's instruction formatting
Ok, I won't add that piece of info again. However, remember that Wikipedia is not about your point of view. And in my opinion, that part IS relevant. And what is "the difference between emulation and simulation"?
What we both said is true - the Kaillera system is not good for sending uncompressed handheld multiplayer data, it can be best said. I added that because it's often asked why emulators like VisualBoyAdvance don't use Kaillera (in fact, someone added VBA to the supported emulators list at the beginning of this article, I don't know why).
I don't know much about video game hardware, so I can't tell how efficient data encoding will have to be to make a system like Kaillera work with eg. a GBA Link Cable emulation.
As a final note, I think that you put back in some grammar mistakes. English is not my native language, but I think I'm not too bad at it and I can use grammar decently. - Roma_emu 01:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why not look at the articles here on Wikipedia? Emulation and simulation I'm sure will give some answers. The basics, though, is that emulation is something that runs software in the same way as the original, while a simulation simulates it. If you've ever played Dancing With INtensity or Stepmania, those could be called DDR simulators. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 02:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- Kaillera works in a synchronous manner different to those systems. Hence sending all the data at once is inefficient. It performs better if little and constant ammounts of data is sent at near 60fps or a little more. A bad example for this is Project64k. It sends massive ammounts of data at variable fps for different games. Kaillera is not as simple as sending portvalues each time its read and hoping that somehow it will all synchronize. A good example would be one of those early kaillera implementations of mame32. You can still emulate your hardware with only sending keyvalues and encoded instructions. You may also consider looking into Zbattle. I think its asynchronous p2p architecture and should be ideal for your problem.
[edit] This page desperately needs more information
I'll add some more after I find UOKS author. Please help by expanding to whatever you know. K2234 16:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think your last edit and reorg was excellent, expecially the community description. I could add more on any heading but it seems like a good overview already. --Pcowan 01:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Kaillera Clans
Should this section be deleted? 81.99.120.103 went through a series of edits creating it. 62.195.1.170 then deleted it. 81.99.120.103 then replaced it all of which was done without making used of the edit summary field or any comment in this discussion page. Dbiel (Talk) 15:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well, something like "clans" seem inappropriate. I was having second thoughts about keeping the community section during my reorg. It's like having an encyclopedia article about Aluminum and in addition to listing some of the uses of aluminum, listing all the individuals that use aluminum. K2234 21:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Unofficial Projects
It looks like someone removed it. Well, without those unofficial projects, kaillera is just another 5 years old lost story. Oh well, it does not really matter. Even with official updates, it has no chances of competing with the new alternatives that popped up so whatever remains of it will die soon enough. Someone could as well get rid of this wiki page. It'll prove to be a waste of space. 130.56.65.24 (talk) 08:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
