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Welcome to my talk page. Please sign and date your entries by inserting ~~~~ at the end.
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[edit] Watchable page
If you are'ht already, take a look at the Al-Hilal (newspaper) article. You might have some info to ad to it.Holoeconomics (talk) 12:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] RE: Pics
Jai Swaminarayan bhai. I'll inform the santo of the seva you're performing on here when I have an opportunity. They're reading my version and making alterations before returning it to me to continue. It took a lot of nagging for me to get noticed, but motivation is key! You should try it with your regional mandir too. It's often best to ask for the santo ni guidance and help. There's no way I could've done the London mandir as they started, the mandirs have vast archives full off the research we need to make the articles good. I know next tonothing abotu setting up wiki projects, but if I can help then I will. -- Harish (Talk) - 23:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Swaminarayan templates
Jai Swaminarayan bhai. I've started to notice the variety of templates for Swaminarayan articles. Is there a way we cana pool the people together who created them? I'm thinking that they need to be neatened up, so that you have the standard Swaminarayan templates, and then a nested template like the Swaminarayan Gadis or BAPS Swaminarayan Sanstha one, added according to the particular article. What are your thoughts on this? -- Harish (Talk) - 23:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- Good job. I'd like to help if possible, I have a few ideas with it. -- Harish (Talk) - 23:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Back to the drawing board ...
It appears the globe stand was from a copyrighted image.
This means we're back to square one.
We need to either find another globe stand, or come up with a new idea altogether for the "Wikipedia World Traveler" award.
I look forward to any ideas you might have.
The Transhumanist 00:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] CAT
hv not come across a pics template before - howver if u hv its a gud idea .. Around The GlobeContact 22:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Go ahead and do as u feel best - I dont hv much knowledge in this aspect .. will do some research .. Around The GlobeContact 23:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Succession
I think we can avoid all this. What Haribhagat added, and I agree to is that the Acharya section comes first, as that was earlier in time and done by bhagwan himself. Now, there is no need to mention dispute as this point as there was no dispute then. The dispute occured much later. So after this, the divisions come in. The paramhansa as a successor is a BAPS POV, and comes in the BAPS section. Do u get the point im making? Around The GlobeContact 23:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Not that many. There are several articles such as temples, etc. where only the relevant template and not the universal one goes. See, in the kirtans sung by other sects, words are changed - they are not sung in original form (Iv pointed out the exact differences in the aarti and thaal earlier and I belive that you guys do not recite the Radhashtak at all). Do u know at one point some person from some sect (i dont no which) completly chaged the thaal page to some other lyrics? those wer probably of tht sect .. i rev tht - tk a look at the history. I again emphasise that the Paramhansas were Swaminarayan Sampraday saints and there is no need for you to call them universal saints - do u hv any proof to back u up? As for the Gunatitanand Swami, there is a link on the page itself to the main BAPS article, so thts enough. Bhagwan page: You said it right your belief, your POV .. the Acharyas hv been accepted as successors by court a fact, u belive Gunatitanand Swami was the successor, your POV, not a fact - no official recognition only belief, hence POV. Around The GlobeContact 00:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Let me make this clearer,
you wrote -
After his death several divisions occurred with different understandings of the succession of leadership.
This cannot be the first sentence as there were no divisions after he died, when he died only Acharyas were successors, everyone including Gunatitanand Swami accepted that then.
Prior to his death, Swaminarayan established a line of acharyas. After establishing this line of Acharyas others claim that spiritual succession of Swaminarayan may have been one of the Paramahansas
Again no need of this here. This claim was made much later. You cleverly here forget to mention as his spiritual successors after establishment of line of acharyas. Furhterm when the Acharyas were established and they accepted office, there was no such claim. It occured later, i.e. there was a time lag. What is presently on is in time chronology, first Acharyas and the Sampraday, then Divisions BAPS, the first to break, then Maninagar and others. Around The GlobeContact 00:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Joining the Sandbox
Jai Swaminarayan,
Please instruct as to what i am required to do in order to join the sandbox/Swaminarayan group. Haribhagat (talk) 11:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] RE: <bunch of stuff>
Jai Swaminarayan bhai. Firstly, thanks for adding the photos to the Akshardham article. Did you really take them though? Good add, no complaints about the infobox image at all, but I'll play with the position of the rest of them so they're suitably placed. It doesn't make sense to move history to after the details on the structure though, because history comes before the present situation. As a general unspoken wikipedia rule, you'll notice most articles flow in a timeline format. Look at bio's, films, OTHER architectures, it moves from the history to the present - it's just the way it is. If it's not like that, it's like we're trying to sell the features, but the beauty of Akshardham is that it sells itself. Speaking of the article, I would like to request that you don't worry about editing it for now. Especially formatting lil bits. Let the big picture develop first, if you understand what I mean?
Good job with the images, but was it necessary? Not questioning negatively, I've just never done it before so I'm curious. Do images require categorising? -- Harish (Talk) - 00:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and could you speak to your Chicago kothari please? Ask if he would be able to put together sources for the Chicago mandir article, and inform them that the London kothari did it. Furthermore, mention that it's a worldwide online encyclopaedia and MANY people read these articles, so it would be fair for the Chicago mandir to have fair representation, and to be respected as an informative article and the understanding that can legitimately be accepted by the references. Lastly, tell him I said Jai Swaminarayan, please =) [nah, I don't know the santo that you have) -- Harish (Talk) - 00:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ah right. How did you get up all that cam info then? Just curious. Thanks for the info, bhai. You've done good. -- Harish (Talk) - 00:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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- Comment U guys hv taken a great step: contacting santos for help. They are an ocean of information - the best source you can get. Just a word of caution though - be sure to remove all the POV from the info u get - v hv had BIG problems with POV on Swaminarayan articles lately. Around The GlobeContact 23:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Swaminarayan Mandir
Look I think v hv had a talk about this before. If I make a disambig pg on the BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, London and added Sampraday mandirs next to it Im sure it wont be taken well. Shri Swaminarayan Mandir only means a Sampraday mandir (murti pratishtha done by an acharya) - others have some prefix or the other. Around The GlobeContact 23:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Uv got me really confused - do u mean u want to add did you mean BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, London on the top? This could def cause conflict as I said, Im sure u wld not like me doing something similar on the BAPS article with a link to the Sampraday one - lets avoid all this pl. .. Around The GlobeContact 23:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - keeping off each others articles will avoid conflict. Around The GlobeContact 23:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
This refers to the Akshar Purshottam Pic on the main pg - no probs with the pic - juz a q of placement. Do the Swaminarayan Gadi followers also believe in these murtis - if yes the placement is fine - if nt it might b best to crop the size to fit it to the BAPS part - juz to avoid any future controversy - hope u get wht m saying .. Around The GlobeContact 13:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Was thinking of starting an article Lotus feet of Swaminarayan about his 7 cheens - do u think tht will b POV? Around The GlobeContact 18:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: It's only worth starting new articles such as this if you can pick at least two good sources of reference. It's typical of articles to get deleted as it's the Wiki way, as ATG mentioned on my user page about the Swaminarayan articles. -- Harish (Talk) - 11:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
The idea was actually to fit the images to the section(s). In the mandir ones I thgt of having 3 - 1 for 2 mandirs to fit the sections. I dint no bout the AksharPurshottam one so I asked u .. will c bout the Ghanshyam Maharaj thing. can u add the gujarati name per wikidas pl. .. Around The GlobeContact 01:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] DYK - another one
Happy to report, that Haridasa Thakur is on Sunday DYK due in an hour or so. Its an interesting article with a lot of illustrations. Its the forth DYK of the Krishna project! Wikidās ॐ 11:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Please take a look at Kalki
Hello, I notice you are an experienced editor on Hinduism related subjects. Could you please take the time to look at Kalki? It is currently (in his own words) guarded by Ghostexorcist. And I don't have the experience to know how to make changes that don't get reverted. These are my concerns about it. See if you agree.
- An inordinate portion of the article is devoted to subjects tangential to the Hindu concept under the heading "Modern variations of the Kalki prophecy." I think this title itself is a contradiction in terms. What modern variation of the prophesy is there in Hinduism? It might read "modern interpretations" but Ghostexorcist will not allow even this to be discussed.
- The way the section is put together it gives the impression that the views of one author Savitri Devi Mukherji that Adolf Hitler was Kalki is a part of Hindu thought. By excluding other similar silly notions he puts un-due focus to that one idea, making Hinduism look morally baron.
- By having this Nazi allusion follow directly after Alejandro Biondini, a Nazi in Argentina, Ghostexorcist is de facto insisting on giving the Kalki concept a nazi connotation and I can't understand his motive.
- Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Undue_weight holds that Wikipedia is not a repository for opinions that almost no one holds - such as that Hitler was Kalki - a view that apparently a single Hindu author who is now dead had. By insisting on having this rare opinion kept highlighted he gives the impression this is a genuine Hindu view by not saying it is not. This seems a clear case of "undue weight" as defined by Wikipedia.
What I was hoping is that you might know one or two experienced editors like yourself that could bring some weight to bear on that article. As it is it goes nowhere as all serious changes are reverted by Ghostexorcist who says he guards the article. Thank you for your time. I hope you will help. Vedantahindu (talk) 14:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Reply
Jai Swaminarayan bhai. Sorry, I don't know gujarati. Can't help. By the way, can I ask that if you have anything to say that's new, that you make a new section please? I get confused sometimes, partly becomes it's randomly added at the bottom of another topic, but also because half the time I just assume it's ATG that said it as you two add comments together randomly haha. -- Harish (Talk) - 11:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Language
JSN,
Thanks for adding gujarati - pl add devnagari script too .. :) Around The GlobeContact 14:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Devnagari is the script u use to write Hindi, Marathi, Sanscrit etc. V could also add a audio version of BHAGWAN SWAMINARAYAN for pronunciation. Around The GlobeContact 14:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
HAHA, typical American answer. Around The GlobeContact 14:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Jokes apart, Iv added the Devnagari script - Check if it is fine. Around The GlobeContact 15:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Title
I suggest u speed up the Swaminarayan Project and let the Bhagwan page title descision be taken by the project members. Around The GlobeContact 19:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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