Talk:Jump Jim Crow
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I'm trying to find the lyrics and post them here (should be well past the copyright. So far I can only find the chorus. -User:Reboot
- Adding lyrics found at [http://www.americanradioworks.org/features/remembering/transcript.html
a public broadcasting history of Jim Crow laws]. Ortolan88
Justify:
- ...by white comedian Thomas Dartmouth (T.D.) "Daddy" Rice
and
- The tune was one of the first major examples of African-American influence in popular music in the United States.
I don't think the possibility that it was inspired by an African-American cripple can really count as 'influence'... Tyrhinis 21:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. Zargulon 00:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] picture: really Jim Crow?
Are we sure that the picture we're using is really supposed to be the Jim Crow character, as opposed to a less specific caricature? I see it comes from the Jim Crow Museum, that they use it to illustrate their page on "Who was Jim Crow?" and that they titled the image "jimcrow.jpg"... which does suggest that the image is the Jim Crow character... but couldn't it also be the case that they just needed a Jim Crow-ish picture for that page, and titled the jpeg after the page they planned to use it in? We could ask them, of course, but I'm not sure if that would count as original research. --Allen 14:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm on vacation and away from my books, but I have definitely seen the same image identified in the same way in print. I'll try to give a more specific cite when I get home in a couple of days. — Amcaja (talk) 16:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- This is indeed the correct historical image. I've uploaded a new version, which is higher resolution and includes the whole page, including the caption; you can see Image:Jimcrow.jpg for details and contextual information.--Pharos (talk) 14:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "In Modern English"
This is a little silly. 19th century English is virtually identical to 21st century English—there's no reason to have a "translation". The song isn't written in some pre-modern dialect; it's a phony caricature of AAVE.--Pharos (talk) 14:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Earliest sheet music editions
There appear to have been two of these published in 1832. The E. Riley edition was published in New York (this is the one we have the picture from), and there was a J. Edgar edition published in Philadelphia. The E. Riley edition has 44 stanzas; I don't know about the J. Edgar edition but it seems likely it's the nine stanza version (which is printed on this article, and is perhaps the most commonly reproduced one today). This page appears to have low-resolution views of all the pages of what are probably these two editions. The title of the J. Edgar edition appears to be (from records I have read, I can't make out anything on the low-res image) "Jim Crow: a comic song sung by Mr. Rice at the Chesnut St. Theatre". Maybe someone else can track down the rest of my loose ends?--Pharos (talk) 01:55, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
