Talk:Joseph Trumpeldor

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[edit] "arab hordes" v. the world

The reference to "arab hordes" didn't advocate that viewpoint, so it wasn't POV to include it there. i.e. it isn't POV merely to state that someone has POV X, as long as it done in appropriate context. Which in this case – being as the statement came from an organization that to all intents and purposes if the official torchbearer of Trumpeldor's memory – it most definitely does, and quite tellingly so, at that. Whiskey Pete 01:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no reason to include such an extreme statement. It doesn't add any information to either the chain-of-events or his beliefes. Tewfik^Talk 21:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

But it ads -very- revealing information about the movement he inspired; you can't deny that. (Besides, "extremists" statements and references are perfectly OK, as long as they are quoted in the proper context.) Whiskey Pete 22:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Tewfik. --Zero^talk 00:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Horde

1. A large group or crowd; a swarm: a horde of mosquitoes.

a. A nomadic Mongol tribe.

b. A nomadic tribe or group.

Clearly, the Arabs living in Palestine were nomadic. Subsequently, their armies were disorganized. The description by Betar of "Arab hordes" is not extreme. Moreover, it is not biased to include this in entry. -- unsigned

Most people would think that the term "horde" when applied to an invading force has racist implications (even if one buys into the modern Israeli mythology that the inhabitants of Palestine before Zionist settlement were "nomadic" -- as if that is supposed to mean they were less deserving of any particular right to live on that land, less than say, Eastern European (and Iraqi, etc) refugees/immigrants.) Anyway, I hope we can all agree it's a shall we say, thought-provoking quote, and (due to the source) perfectly relevant to the article. Whiskey Pete 20:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

We shouldn't have "thought-provoking quote"s - only encyclopaedic information. These entries should not be used to make political points. Tewfik^Talk 02:43, 28 May 2007 (UTC)