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[edit] "Young Chief Joseph"

In the first instance I linked this to Chief Joseph, but he lived from 1840-1904, which seems to mean that the person in that sentence isn't the same person as Chief Joseph, if the "1830-1839" time span in the sentence is accurate. The famous Chief Joseph is often referred to as Younger, and his father the Elder (from whom his son took over chief duties in 1871). So which is the Joseph who Gale supposedly knew? Is Joseph misplaced in this sentence about Gale's early history and does he need to be added somewhere later? He is mentioned later because Gale married the elder's daughter (see comment below) but what else is notable about their association? Is there any need to name drop him (whichever one it is) in the early part of the article? The latter part of the article refers to "Old" Chief Joseph and Young Chief Joseph. Elder and Younger might be better, I'm not sure what the historians say, but I'll look into it at some point... Katr67 18:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Acquired"

It says he "acquired" his Indian wife. I'd like to change this to "married" but I don't know if this is accurate in a legal sense. "Acquired" makes her sound like property (would it be worded that way if she were white?), though unfortunately this was often pretty much the case, so I hesitate to change the word if it's true. But being the daughter of Old Chief Joseph, I would imagine that wasn't the case. If the word stands, more background is necessary. For example, was she "acquired" because he won her gambling or some such? Shudder. Katr67 18:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed article deletion

I'm having trouble understanding this (proposal for deletion). According to the article, Joseph Gale

  • helped build and captained (commanded?) the first ship built in Oregon
  • saved the Oregon economy in its infancy by helping to bring thousands of livestock from California
  • served on the first executive committee
  • was provisional Governor

It seems well sourced, though I didn't check any of them. What's the scoop? —EncMstr 01:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I suspect vandalism. The user's only contributions are to propose deletions, including to a fully bluelinked disambiguation page. Is there a warning template for prodding articles in bad faith? Katr67 02:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I too think it's vandalism, or a sock puppet account, so I will remove the template now as Gale meets the notability requirment, and it is obivously well sourced. Aboutmovies 04:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC) OK, nevermind you already removed it. Aboutmovies 04:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bean-Sinclair Party

The information concerning the Bean-Sinclair Party is in error on two points. First, the Bean-Sinclair Party departed Fort Smith, Arkansas in May 1830 (not in 1829). Second, the party was a fur trapping expedition that never got further west than the Rocky Mountains. In 1830, the Bean-Sinclair Party traveled up the Arkansas River and then trapped South Park in Colorado. After several skirmishes with Indians, and considerable dissension, the party wintered in Taos and then broke up.

Joseph Gale may well have been a member of the Bean-Sinclair Party. Several individuals joined this expedition in response to an advertisement that was published in a New Orleans newspaper. This might explain how a young sailor from the Chesapeake got to the Rockies. Also, Gale and several members of Bean-Sinclair joined Ewing Young's second California trip, and in later years Gale was good friends with several other members of the Bean-Sinclair Party (most notably, Jacob Leese). Despite the all this, I know of no conclusive information that Gale was a member of the Bean Sinclair Party. Backstrnd (talk) 17:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Katr67 (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)