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[edit] EXPLANATION TO THE CRITIC

The Pagan and so the derived jewish days begin and end at sunset. Creeds of the Christians state that for 3 days he descended into hell and on the third day he rose again from the dead (no less ambiguous than Jordan's position, as stated). The Vernal Equinox (a Solar festival like the Solstices) is a midway between the two Solstices which could be seen as an attempt to share both but Easter is a Lunar fertility festival (The Christians do it on the first Sunday after the full Moon as they do not acknowledge the femininity of deity and force the festival to a male day of the week.), that of the Goddess Oestivus, which is why we have oestrus (estrus), oestrogen (estrogen), Easter Eggies and baby Easter Bunnies - it is the time of new and renewed life: deciduous plants are shooting again and wild mammals' and wild birds' offspring appear. -80.5.107.201 (Talk) 20:37, February 13, 2007

[edit] RESPONSE

I'm not sure I follow your explanation. Could you quote the passage that you think shows a misunderstanding of this particular theory of Maxwell's? I am aware that spring festivals are usually associated with fertility and rebirth. Note that most historians consider Easter as named after Eostre, which is not related to eggs or fetility.

I have not heard of the Goddess Oestivus before and cannot find any references on the Internet or the books I have. Are you sure it is spelled correctly? Where is it from? Etymology for oestrus which I found says that it is based on the Latin oestrus or Greek oistros which means passionate frenzy. The Latin oestivus means summer or heat, and is the root for the English word festival. This might be why we say animals are "in heat?" Anyway, there is no goddess named Oestivus that I could find.

(And don't forget about Easter Moonday! I'm not sure how that would work into your explanation, but keep it in mind!)

-24.57.157.81 (Talk) 20:56, February 15, 2007

A quick Google search of "Oestivus" brings up a link to the Webster's 1828 dictionary with an entry of:
ES'TIVAL, a. [L. oestivus, from oestas, summer. See Heat.]
Pertaining to summer, or continuing for the summer.
But then I just tried a dictionary search of "Easter":
[Origin: bef. 900; ME ester, OE éastre; c. G Ostern; orig. name of a goddess and her festival; akin to east].
Ostern is an alternate spelling of Ostara. Then try Ostara (disambiguation) and it mentions Eostre.
John Ayto's Dictionary of Word Origins (ISBN 1559702141) says of "east":
It was also the source of *Austron, the name of a goddess of the prehistoric Germanic peoples, originally the dawn-goddess, whose festival occurred in spring. In Old English her name was Ēastre, which is generally taken to be the ultimate source of English Easter (German Ostern 'Easter' has a parallel origin).
Still no "Goddess Oestivus" but there are enough approximations of "Easter" ("oestrus", "oestivus") to suggest a borrowing by Christianity. ;) As for
-Eep² 08:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

Has there been no criticism of this very unorthodox research? I would like to see some information that seems less biased, as this article is no referance for anyone who is not already familiar with the theories presented. There are no citations here either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madskile (talk • contribs) 23:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] court judgement

The only reference is the FTC case document itself, which doesn't give any information about the alleged "Jordan Maxwell" ("Russell Pine") and if it's the same Maxwell as the one in this Wikipedia article. -Eep² 22:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

However, if one was to Google BBCOA.com/astro, a person would come to the unmistakable conclusion that it is the same Jordan Maxwell in question.[1] Here you will see that Jordan Maxwell writes concerning Astro-Theology - the exact article which is found on his website [2], and in this article he links back to www.bbcoa.com, where he had initially formulated his theory before registering his website.[3]. As the FTC case document clearly shows, Maxwell had input into www.bbcoa.com, therefore linking him to the article AND work found on his personal site. It is simply undeniable that this Jordan Maxwell aka Russell Pine is the one found in the FTC document. -83.67.97.220 (Talk) 00:53, May 7, 2007

Interesting: http://web.archive.org/web/20001208175600/www.bbcoa.com/bio.html -Eep² 08:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This case is listed on Rob Evans & Associates LLC: Fiduciary Appointments and Alphabetical List (with a PDF of the outcome). -Eep² 14:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
"Cracking The Code": A Handbook for Putting Your Commercial Affairs in Order is a book edited by Vic Varjabedian and published by: Better Book and Cassette of America (2001) and is also listed on this "wanted" list. -Eep² 15:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Court Judgements

Anyone who personally knows Jordan, as I do, knows that Vic Varjabedian owned the site, and allowed Jordan to put some of his work on it. Jordan opened his own site as quickly as he could. Anyone who thinks there is big money in research is sadly sadly mistaken, and that's a fact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xcommunic8 (talk • contribs) 04:47, June 23, 2007 – Please sign your posts!

I understand the concern you have for your client, however, you should read WP:NOT. As you will read, Wikipedia is not a censor. As well, the section that was removed was back by a credible source: the Federal Trade Commission. If your client has been acquitted of all charges, then state so in the article in a NPOV fashion and with proper diction. As I've stated on your usertalk page, please do not attempt to make legal threats again as it is against Wikipedia policy and is frowned upon by the Community. Thank you. Nat Tang talk to me! | Check on my contributions!|Email Me! 12:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
And please be as so kind to sign you name with ~~~~ at the end of your messages. Thank you. Nat Tang talk to me! | Check on my contributions!|Email Me! 12:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Eh, anyone could claim that, X--provide proof of Maxwell's acquittal and it will be added to the page, but the court judgement stays--"PERIOD!" (as Maxwell often says). ;) ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 21:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More of the same

I've edited. the court judgment bit to remove a general (poorly sourced) statement from the FTC, and to remove the mention of spam (it's an internet scam but I found no mention of spam in the references).

The judgment seems to be procedural, allowing the FTC to prevent anyone doing business with the defendants or promoting their scam; rather than criminal. If I read it right, they are on the run, but not yet convicted of any crime. However, a court has ruled their activities to be a scam. Have I read that right, and do these distinctions need to be made in the article? --h2g2bob (talk) 14:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I think you are OK to quote from and reference the FTC judgement documents. If the material is important to the article, it seems ok (not great, just ok). A third party discussion of the FTC action and what it means would be better....thought unlikely to be forth coming. The FTC action is not a court, but an administrative finding that they run a scam. If a state or local jursidiction were to prosecute Mr. Maxwell and his associates in a state or local court for a specific incident done by the scam, the FTC judgement would be a huge burden off the prosecution (they would only have to enter the FTC judgement, rather then get the jury to buy the scam first).--Rocksanddirt 23:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems that Maxwell has his die hard set of supporters, who, whilst quick to berate the government for It's forms of censorship, are quick to censor anything anti-Maxwell. Fair enough, he is a good researcher, but the man is still a crook, as those Federal papers indicate. But you go ahead and edit all you like if it keeps you happy, hide the truth.

Why does this article keep being edited to hide the facts about this fraud? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.67.97.220 (talk) 14:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Because Maxwell is a phoney fraudster who edits it himself! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.104.20 (talk) 20:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability Concerns

Apart from the FTC legal action (which seems unconnected to his speaking business) is this person notable? Maybe I'm not reading the article correctly but I just can't fathom out why he's here in Wikipedia! B1atv 11:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

On the Internet, put "Jordan Maxwell" into the Google search engine, CLICK "Google Search," and the results will return, "Results 1 - 10 of about 85,300 for 'jordan maxwell'." That should ease any concerns about Notability. Maybe looking at some of those websites returned would put the concerns completely to rest. Exxess 16:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs more biography info

Needs to have his birthdate, needs schooling info, needs work info. Needs current residence and vocation. I can't find any of this on Maxwell's website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.157.81 (talk) 22:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Declination of Sun is -23°26' for four days not three

How should we inform readers of Maxwell's error? (For reference, see Table of the Declination of the Sun.) We can't have readers assuming Maxwell is providing correct information as the basis for his theory.

If any seems averse to including this info (as per WP:NOR), consider someone with the following theory, as written in an article: "Smith says that, since Mars is the seventh planet in our solar system, this is why Mars Inc. intially used only seven ingredients in their Mars bars." You can't not have any mention in the article that the planet Mars is in fact the fourth planet, right?--24.57.157.81 05:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

it moves into position on dec 21, and stays there for 3 days. Slinkymaster (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)