Talk:John Philip Sousa

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[edit] Dead media links

It looks like the media links went dead. Anyone know what happened? Were they always dead? Mirror Vax 22:02, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Specifically, I'm referring to these:

Mirror Vax 00:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Answering my own question: they were erroneously deleted in a mass purge of suspected copyrighted files. Mirror Vax 02:31, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Urban Legend

I deleted the line that JPS added the "usa" to his surname as a patriotic act because it is false. JPS's father's surname "de Sousa" is a very common and very old Portuguese surname. Nothing was added to it and was not originally just "So". Portuguese surname prepositions like "de" and "da" (literally, of and from) was dropped by many Portuguese-Americans. --Miguellabrego 21:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Deleted again. C'mon, folks! this kind of bubblehead fluff doesn't credit Wikipedia. --Wetman 09:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe the PhilipsoUSA "bubblehead fluff" can be put in this article since it is an actual urban legend about Sousa. As long as it specifically states the urban legend is false, it's fine. (anon. post from User:SousaFan88)
Even fluff needs a source, saying where this urban legend is noted. Unsourced fluff could be added interminably. I won't revert this again, but I'll notify SousaFan88 that it does require a source. --Wetman 19:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Here's the only place I could find it. http://www.dws.org/sousa/content/blogcategory/7/26/ It should be noted that the site itself doesn't have a source about the myth.

[edit] List of marches

Before the extending list of red-linked marches gets out of hand, can we get a reference to an on-line complete list of Sousa marches, and then list here just those famous enough to have individual articles? A weighted list is useful; an incomplete list of "Sousa marches that come to mind" doesn't aid the reader. --Wetman 19:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The most renowned online site about Sousa today is the Dallas Wind Symphonys sub-page http://www.dws.org/sousa/index.php I was actually losing faith in the site until they just recently updated it. Here you will find an adapted list of Sousa works from "John Philip Sousa, An American Phenomenon". I will add it to the article. (anon.)
An anonymous contributor has added a redlinked ""Processional (Wedding March)". Is this an alternative title? At any rate, with a link to a complete list, shouldn't all marches that don't have their own articles be deleted from this partial list? --Wetman 05:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I once saw a piece of piano sheet music titles something like "American wedding march: dedicated to the brides of America" by Sousa. I don't have a copy, but I recall it was from around WWI and might reflect the anti-German feelings of the era, in that it would replace works by Mendelssohn and Wagner.Saxophobia 18:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The official link to my list of Sousa compositions is http://www.dws.org/sousa/articles/works.htm - the listing is an authorized reproduction of the Appendix to "John Philip Sousa - American Phenomenon" (Paul Bierley, ISBN 0757906125) with edits due to new information over the past 10 years. Dlovrien 18:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

In accordance with the opinions above, I removed most of the unlinked marches and "and notable" to the intro. This list should only contain those marches recorded and performed most often and possibly those with special historical significance (eg., The Gladiator, his first commercial success). Some of these are still debatable. Dlovrien (talk) 22:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] King Cotton 1895

The date has been "corrected" to 1892. This needs vetting. --Wetman 08:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why John Philip Sousa?

Was he called "John Philip" by his friends and family, or just "John"? When he met someone, did he say "Hi, I'm John Philip Sousa", or just "Hi, I'm John Sousa"? Was there any other composer named John Sousa from whom it is necessary to distinguish? -- JackofOz (talk) 01:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

As the last name "Sousa" and other variants was a common name, it was traditional to include the middle name along with the first, even amongst family and friends. Yes, Sousa did in fact address himself as "John Philip Sousa", as heard in original radio broadcasts. SousaFan88 (talk) 02:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. -- JackofOz (talk) 21:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] born 5th or 6th?

more often his birthday is given as 6th of November... (like Adolphe Sax ;-) Can anyone clear this up? Y23 (talk) 11:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Great Job

Looks like this article's been cleaned up and expanded. And that part about him running away to join the circus is gone. Kudos to all the contributors --76.86.234.41 (talk) 09:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

But he did try to run away and join the circus... SousaFan88 (talk) 02:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article...

...reads like it was lifted from someplace. The tone of it is more like a review than an encyclopedia entry. There were a number of changes made on July 8, 2006, or so, that are like that. I'm tempted to scrap it and start over. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Much of the stuff that was flagged for citations today was posted on May 15, 2004, by a user who is still in the system as recently as this month. Maybe someone could ask him about that. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC) he was very fat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.57.3 (talk) 12:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)