Talk:John Hinckley, Jr.
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An event in this article is a March 30 selected anniversary (may be in HTML comment)
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[edit] Erotomania
Perhaps some more information on this is needed. Am I right in thinking that the erotomaniac already believes that there is some sort of, perhaps secret, relationship between himself and the person on whom he is fixated, often "proved" to him by delusions of reference, so to speak? And if Jody Foster was already in love with him, why the need for the grand gesture of killing Reagan? Was it erotomania or simply a misestimation of Foster's reaction? How did Hinckley believe Foster felt about him at the time and how do we separate this from the known fact that men accused or convicted of the most appalling murders do receive feminine fan-mail in the clink? --Daniel C. Boyer 20:35, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Assasin?
Hinckley wasn't a successful assassin, but I think he should be added to Category:Assassins. Agree? -- InterruptorJones 23:01, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Video
The shooting was captured on video, it should probably be linked to the article. Does nayone know where it can be found on the web? -Husnock 20:16, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Alternate Version
There seems to be some questions as to what really happened on March 30,1981. That fact that Hinckley was associated with the Bush Family and an analysis of the video tape taken during the incident brings up some questions. These should NOT be dismissed and should be part of the article. This balances out the various versions of the events. Let the readers determine what they believe.
- Such long excerpts, especially excerpts of copyright material, are generally inappropriate in WP articles. Please summarize neutrally. Also, when we do represent minority views, they should be noted as such. The participation of Hinckley is not in doubt according to the vast majority of legitimate sources, and if we decide it is appropriate to include this particular minority viewpoint, it should be clearly labeled as such. Gamaliel 02:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that the part about Hinkley being a cousin or whatever of the bushes should not be in the opening section of the article. Maybe in a differnet section. More seriously the implication that the bushes wanted reagan to die so that Bush Sr would be president is propostrous. If the bushes wanted to do that the wouldn't have hired there cousin. Also i think that they are no that dispecable (sp?).
[edit] Republican parents?
I've reverted the edit that creates the phrase "Republican parents." I mention it here only because User:Golbez reverted essentially this same edit by User:132.241.245.49 about twenty-four hours ago, so it seems that the latter particularly wants it in this article. I admit that I can strictly argue only that the inclusion of "Republican" is irrelevant, not POV. That is, it feels POV; it sounds like it's trying to cast some kind of aspersion of conspiracy, but I don't get it exactly. The suspicious word was the most recent edit, so it doesn't have a long period of tacit peer approval, and that convinced me to re-revert. If Hinckley's parents are truly Republican and someone can write additional text that puts that fact in meaningful context, then this would be appropriate for inclusion in the article, I suppose. --Officiallyover 11:22, 23 March 2006 (UTC) I agree with Officiallyover that it would be best if more info was provided on his parents. 132.241.245.49 21:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] why
Why does this article have a controversial tag, having conspiracy theorists abound doesn't make it controversial Khukri 13:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reagans wounds
Inconsistency - one paragraph says Reagan was hit in the leg with a ricochet bullet. Then later it is mentioned he was seriously wounded by a riochet bullet in the chest? Which is correct? 203.23.122.202
[edit] Bush connections?
I think there's a punchline of some sort missing from the Bush connections section. Is there supposed to be an allegation of Bush involvement in the assassination attempt? If someone has actually proposed such a conspiracy, why isn't it mentioned in the section? If no one has proposed such a conspiracy, then I guess it's just the beginnings of a list of everyone in the Hinckley family's Rolodex? Pointless as it stands now... —Wknight94 (talk) 12:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with your point. The contents of the paragraph does not make it worth of a full section title. I think, however, that the information is worthy of being mentioned. Maybe lower in the text, in a trivia section without a touting section title.82.229.209.33 (talk) 07:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Himmler connection
The Reagan assassination attempt article says Hinckley is the grandnephew of Heinrich Himmler. If true, this might be an interesting addition to the article. --Saforrest 03:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rohm
the link doesn't lead to the RG14 manufacturer ROHM, but to some japanese cie
[edit] FBI
It seems that Hinckley tried to join extreme right-wing groups
but they suspected that he was an FBI double agent when he spoke of explosions.
[edit] Removed Cultural References
I've removed the cultural references section because none of this is sourced and none of it is notable. --Wasted Sapience 17:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cultural references
Hinckley is one of the assassins portrayed in Stephen Sondheim and John Weidman's musical Assassins, in which he sings a folk ballad, "Unworthy of Your Love", professing his love to Foster. The song is a duet with Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme who was cult leader Charles Manson's most loyal disciple. Lynette Fromme had herself previously failed to assassinate U.S. President Gerald Ford.
Hinkley had a copy of Catcher in the Rye on him at the time of his assassination attempt. He is said to have been influenced by Mark Chapman (killer of John Lennon).
Hinckley is mentioned in the film Six Degrees of Separation in a monologue on Catcher in the Rye.
There is a band called JFA (Jodie Foster's Army), a song by the band Crucifucks named "Hinckley Had A Vision", and a song by Pittsburgh punk band Caustic Christ called "Doesn't Anyone Want to Impress Jodie Foster Anymore?"
Also, Canadian anarcho-punk band Rebel Spell mentions him in a song about Mark David Chapman, John Lennon, and a conspiracy theory that posits that Chapman murdered the ex-Beatle on orders from the C.I.A., called "December 1980"; one of the lyrics is "John Hinkley Jr. My hero. Shoot straight, next time shoot straight."
The 1980s hardcore punk band Ism recorded a song entitled "John Hinckley Jr. (What Has Jodie Foster Done To You?)" on The Big Apple Rotten To The Core hardcore punk compilation. It includes the lyrics: "First Lincoln, then Kennedy, but Reagan got away/So you stood near the Hilton/With a gun in your hand/Waiting for Reagan/Even the mentally ill can calculate and premeditate plans." The song was later released on the Ism debut LP A Diet For The Worms which soared to #65 on Progressive radio charts.
In the Family Guy episode "Model Misbehavior," Hinckley fires the gun to start a boat race, and then Foster shows up saying that she was impressed by the way he fired the gun and maybe she has changed her view of him, as well as of all men.
In the Seinfeld episode "The Pitch," Jerry Seinfeld remarks, "Give my best to Hinckley," after having an odd conversation with "Crazy" Joe Davola.
In an episode of "Gilmore Girls", Luke Dane says, "and they told me to start writing letters to Jodie Foster!".
A song called "I Desire" appears on Devo's fifth album, Oh, No! It's Devo, which features lyrics by and based upon John Hinckley's songs to Jodie Foster.
One New Jersey metal/hardcore group named themselves John Hinckley.
A character in Richard Linklater's 1991 independent film Slacker is said to "look like John Hinckley". The character is a disgruntled graduate student who holds his thesis committee hostage.
In the American Dad episode "The Best Christmas Story Never," Stan is taken back in time to the 1970s where he convinces Martin Scorsese to quit drugs which results in Taxi Driver never being made. This results in an alternate future in which John Hinckley never attempts to assassinate Ronald Reagan, and Walter Mondale becomes President of the United States and soon after hands over power to Soviets.
The 1980's Wall of Voodoo hit Far Side of Crazy is sung from the point of view of John Hinckley Jr. and incorporates Hinckley's poetry as well as lines such as "I shot an actor for an actress who lived to tell a joke."
The song "Hey Judas" on Carmaig de Forest's album "I Shall Be Released", a condemnation of Reagan, contains the line "John, you did a bad thing when you missed."
- Moved these all to John Hinckley, Jr. in popular culture. --Wasted Sapience 15:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Press Secretary James Brady suffered traumatic head injury
James Brady was shot in the head during the assassination attempt, and I don’t think our article is near clear enough about that. It states “although Brady was paralyzed,” which rather makes it sound like he had gotten shot in the chest or abdomen.
I remember a news segment several years after the assassination attempt, which gave an update, and showed Brady having a pleasant Sunday watching a Chicago Bears football game on TV at his home. I got the idea that the man was still largely there, but that he has lost some of his cognitive facilities. It’s like any traumatic head injury, the person is going to have to rebuild their life, and it’s going to be a different life. FriendlyRiverOtter 21:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The following is a link to a January 22, 2006, CBS interview with Jim and Sarah Brady. The bullet caused extensive damage to the right frontal lobe of Jim’s brain which caused paralysis to the left side of his body (remember, the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, and vice versa). [1] --FriendlyRiverOtter 00:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- I went ahead and added a summary of the above to our article. I would also like to later add a little bit on secret service agent Tim McCarthy and police officer Tom Delehanty. I think it would help the flow of our article to say just a few things: how each man was injuried, how completely he recovered, whether he went back to duty, what he might have done after law enforcement and/or what part of the country he later retired to. Besides adding good texture to the article, this would also be respectful to the individuals involved. Yeah, in these kind of life and death situations, I do think there should be a certain type of democracy, that all count. FriendlyRiverOtter 23:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Parents received bad advice from psychiatrist?
The following is from a Time magazine article May 24, 1982: "The elder Hinckley described an agonizing meeting with his "wiped out" prodigal son at the Denver airport just three weeks before the shooting. John Sr. said that on advice from the family psychiatrist he refused to let his son come home and suggested he stay at the Y.M.C.A. When John said he did not want to do that, his father told him, "O.K., you're on your own. Do whatever you want to do." Said the elder Hinckley: "In looking back on that, I'm sure that was the greatest mistake of my life. I am the cause of John's tragedy. We forced him out at a time when he just couldn't cope. I wish to God that I could trade places with him right now." Then he buried his eyes in a handkerchief and sobbed." [2]
[edit] Officer Tom Delehanty
Our wiki article states that Washington, D.C. police officer Thomas Delehanty made a full recovery. However, it also states that he later retired on a full disability pension. This situation needs some kind of explanation. And per the above, I do think we should include a couple of sentences on each of the persons injuried. FriendlyRiverOtter 19:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mugshot
Is there not a mugshot that could be used for this article? --Ichabod (talk) 04:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
