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[edit] Mystifying

To which specific weakness did the government refer in "if McQuaid was elevated “the Nuncio would have endless difficulties, with every sphere of his activities, owing to this deplorable weakness in [ McQuaid’s] character, already so well known to the Holy See”."? I think we need to know. There is perhaps an unspoken POV that it would be obvious.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dromore (talk • contribs)

  • I was just wondering this myself. Anyone have any idea? Demiurge 22:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Innaccuracies

A lot of inaccurate stuff was added in here.

  • McQuaid did not bring down the Mother and Child Scheme. He was one of a lot of critics. Had the minister in question showed better judgment he could have got it through. But he had fallen out by that stage with Sean MacBride (who was not Taoiseach, by the way, but Minister for External Affairs and Clann na Poblachta leader) and just about all his cabinet colleagues. When Browne got into trouble his colleagues were glad to see him go. (Much of the scheme was later put into effect by the subsequent Fianna Fáil minister.)
  • As said, MacBride was not taoiseach in 1950-51.
  • McQuaid was less influential in writing the Irish constitution than the article implied. His efforts, and those of Maria Duce, to get Catholicism made the state religion in Ireland were rebuffed by de Valera. The two fell out over it. FearÉIREANN 04:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV Edit

He is considered to have played a large role in composing the 1937 Irish Free State Constitution, which was a sectarian and confessional document, unfit for a tolerant, ecumenical country, which, in any event, the Republic of Ireland was shown DECIDEDLY not to be.

I have reverted the previous edit as this is historically inaccurate, the constitution was that of Ireland and not the Irish Free State - and simulaneously referring to the Republic of Ireland. Moreover the edit regarding the states characteristics is decidedly a judgement and is, as such, point of view. Djegan 20:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCEN (FROM www.obien.ie): WHILE I HATE TO INTEFERE WITH YOUR IRISH CATHOLIC CENSORSHIP (LIKE DUCKS TO WATER) AND DETERMINATION TO PRETEND AND PROPAGANDIZE THAT THE IRISH FREE STATE (LATER THE "REPUBLIC OF IRELAND) WAS AN IDYLLIC, TOLERANT, ECUMENICAL, WOLFE TONE-ESQUE SOCIETY, PLEASE REVIEW THE FOLLOWING RE MY FLAWED JUDGMENT AS TO THE HORRIFIC AND INHUMANE NATURE OF THAT INTOLERANT CATHOLIC THEOCRACY (REMEMBER FETHARD-ON-SEA, BOYS) WHICH WOULDN'T EVEN ALLOW REFUGEES ENTRY DUING THE TRUE HOLOCAUST, YET HAD THE BALLS TO CLAIM ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN MARSHALL PLAN MONIES (LOANS WHICH WERE NEVER REPAID, NATURALLY)

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John Charles McQuaid

Ruler of Catholic Ireland by John Cooney Now available in paperback - an in-depth study of the most significant Irish clergyman in the history of the state

For three decades, 1940-72, as Archbishop of Dublin and Primate of Ireland, John Charles McQuaid imposed his iron will on Irish politicians and instilled fear among his clergy and laity. No other churchman amassed the religious, political and social power which he exercised with unscrupulous severity.

An admirer of the FBI's J. Edgar Hoover, Archbishop McQuaid built up a vigilante system that spied on politicians and priests, workers and students, doctors and lawyers, nuns and nurses, soldiers and trade unionists.

There was no room for dissent when John Charles spoke in the name of Jesus Christ.This power was used to build up a Catholic--dominated state in which Protestants, Jews and feminists were not welcome. Rms125a@hotmail.com 01:17, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

IN PARTING: POG MO THOIN

I (164.38.118.188) have reverted your edits yet again as they simply do not reach the standards required for wikipedia. In fact they are preditory, historically inaccurate and could well be considered vandalism because of their tone. I dont care if you think that I am a patsy for McQuaid - I only came across your original edit by chance and I reserve the right to edit out what you placed in this article within the policies of wikipedia - neutral point of view and accuracy are absolute requirements for wikipedia, even for McQuaid, Hitler and Stalin and similar - if you think otherwise then www.uncyclopedia.org is the place for you. Djegan 17:43, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] deV

While on the surface it might appear that he got on well with deV. The opposite was the case. He was going to read deV from the altar on an agriculture education issue. DeV faced him down. John Charles backed off. Also deV spiked any chance he had of a red hat. I'll wait until the present edit war dies down before contributing. If and when I do it will be with references, probably from the journal 'studies' --ClemMcGann 10:29, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I have added a few lines. They are referenceable facts. Let's see what happens. Frankly, I do not fancy a revert war. But the historical record (rather than the public face at the time) shows division rather than unity --ClemMcGann 21:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

The Soviets asked for McQuaid to be brought to the Nuremberg Trials and charged for aiding and abbetting the escape to South America of the Croatian Dictator Ante Pavic. He never denied it and probably helped other Nazi war criminals to escape justice. He had a lot in common with them.

[edit] J.D. Edgar Hoover

Super guy Edgar , as is the FBI as an organisation .. E.C.McQuaid Atlanta GA