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To the anon editor from Belgium who reduced the number of Ockeghem motets from 10 to 5: I am aware the the number of motets and chansons attributed to Ockeghem shrinks from time to time. Grove (1980) lists 9 plus the song motet on the death of Binchois as being solidly by Ockeghem. If you are aware of more current scholarship showing that some of these have been pulled away I'd love to know. Also, I notice you changed the link from Dutch School to Netherlandish school: the current article "Dutch school" has the basic info on the Netherlandish school, but if you would rather move the article to one of that name, let's talk about it--the name "Dutch school" has bugged me for a while now, and I'd be inclined to support such a move. Antandrus 19:37, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Greetings. I am not the writer to whom you addressed your question, but I thought I would add that Martin Picker also lists five authentic motets of Ockeghem. See M. Picker, Johannes Ockeghem and Jacob Obrecht: A Guide to Research (New York: Garland Publishing Co., 1988) pp. 27-28. Wexler (Collected Works III, 1992) does as well, but gives slightly more credence to the possibility that Vivit Dominus may belong as well. (It is listed as an authentic work, but the authenticity seems to be dismissed in a note.) I have used Picker's seminal work as a guide in formulating my own (cautious) authenticated list; however, I realize that additional research may result in other works eventually being accepted as part of the Ockeghem canon (e.g., Caeleste beneficium, Gaude Maria, and Vivit Dominus). Pseudo-Ockeghem 17:30, 21 June 2007.