Talk:Joe Dolan
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[edit] Born date
On German wiki, the date of bitrh is 1943. Why? Which date is true? Sorry for my english.
First pop singer to perform in the Soviet Union? What about Dean Reed? Dean Reed moved to East Germany in 1973, and started performing all over the East Bloc...I bet he beat Joe to the punch.
Try 16 October 1940 for Joe's real birth date. Was a classmate of the guy.
Fintan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.251.0.26 (talk) 00:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wealth
How much is Joe worth? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.186.205 (talk) 17:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Age
The DOB is obviously wrong. He died aged 68, his birthdate suggests he died at 64. Oh me oh my... 86.42.229.49 (talk) 23:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yep! You're right. I'll see if I can get something definitive on that. Thanks for spotting it - Alison ❤ 23:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, it looks like the date is correct and he died aged 64 [1][2] It looks like this reference is incorrect - Alison ❤ 23:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
i think like many people in the entertainment industry he may have shaved a few years off his age
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- I'm not so sure guys that this is resolved. When this page was originally created no DOB was added. In January 2006, somebody "copied" the DOB (with no cite) from the DE project.[3] This remained until October of 2006 when an anon changed it to 1943.[4] Again, no definitive source was provided. Frankly, I am a little concerned that some of the news media reports are "circular references" (taking the DOB from this Wikipedia article). Is there any corroborating source for either date? 1940? Or 1943? Personally (no offence to the Belfast Telegraph), but I'd believe the RTÉ news and the Irish Times on this. Who both reported his age as 68. (Which would support the former). Any ideas about whether (or how) to verify either? Guliolopez (talk) 00:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- You're absolutely right, Guliolopez, and I endorse your editing requiring cites just now. It needs to be looked into further and given that his official website makes a point of not mentioning it, it's going to be difficult. BTW - I first found out about his passing on ga.wikipedia! - Alison ❤ 02:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not so sure guys that this is resolved. When this page was originally created no DOB was added. In January 2006, somebody "copied" the DOB (with no cite) from the DE project.[3] This remained until October of 2006 when an anon changed it to 1943.[4] Again, no definitive source was provided. Frankly, I am a little concerned that some of the news media reports are "circular references" (taking the DOB from this Wikipedia article). Is there any corroborating source for either date? 1940? Or 1943? Personally (no offence to the Belfast Telegraph), but I'd believe the RTÉ news and the Irish Times on this. Who both reported his age as 68. (Which would support the former). Any ideas about whether (or how) to verify either? Guliolopez (talk) 00:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks Alison. I have sent an email to Mr. Steven Carroll (author of Irish Times report titled "Singer Joe Dolan (68) dies following short illness"[5]), to see if he might share the source he used for Mr. Dolan's DOB. I am unfortunately not confident that it will be received, and less sure about how else to follow-up if I get no response. I share your concern (again with every possible respect due to Mr. Dolan, his family, and his commercial representation) that gaining confirmation through "direct sources" might be difficult (certainly at this time), and also potentially troublesome, given possibility that DOB is possibly not deliberately mentioned. (Given propensity of music and related industries to favour "youth"). Anyway, there is no immediate panic. Certainly would DEFINITELY avoid disturbing the family or any other direct sources, but if there are any notions on original sources, ideas are most welcome. Guliolopez (talk) 02:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- (FYI - I learned of Mr. Dolan's passing on the RTÉ news report, and immediately checked the GA project to see if anyone was updating the relevant article. At which point I noted that the content was at odds with what I'd just heard in the news report. Hence my note here and on the GA project :\ ) Guliolopez (talk) 02:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- The Irish Times, although not infallible, is a trustworthy source often cited in Wikipedia articles. In today's edition (December 27, 2007) Joe Dolan's year of birth is given as 1939. Today's Irish Independent states Dolan's age as 68. The obituaries in this weekend's editions should provide a definitive answer. The Times often quotes the exact date of birth in its Obituary column. Its sources partly come from extensive clippings files which draw on published articles, interviews, etc. from a wide range of printed media. Jim Bruce (talk) 13:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- (FYI - I learned of Mr. Dolan's passing on the RTÉ news report, and immediately checked the GA project to see if anyone was updating the relevant article. At which point I noted that the content was at odds with what I'd just heard in the news report. Hence my note here and on the GA project :\ ) Guliolopez (talk) 02:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks Alison. I have sent an email to Mr. Steven Carroll (author of Irish Times report titled "Singer Joe Dolan (68) dies following short illness"[5]), to see if he might share the source he used for Mr. Dolan's DOB. I am unfortunately not confident that it will be received, and less sure about how else to follow-up if I get no response. I share your concern (again with every possible respect due to Mr. Dolan, his family, and his commercial representation) that gaining confirmation through "direct sources" might be difficult (certainly at this time), and also potentially troublesome, given possibility that DOB is possibly not deliberately mentioned. (Given propensity of music and related industries to favour "youth"). Anyway, there is no immediate panic. Certainly would DEFINITELY avoid disturbing the family or any other direct sources, but if there are any notions on original sources, ideas are most welcome. Guliolopez (talk) 02:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Generosity
In this article it is alleged that Joe secretly gave thousands of pounds/euros to the poor during his career. seven+one 01:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Interesting. I'd heard that rumour in a Hot Press interview many years ago. It's largely speculation but interesting that the Beeb picked up on it - Alison ❤ 02:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sexuality
Do you think there should be something mentioned here about his vague sexuality. [6][7] --MaxPride (talk) 16:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Definitely it should be mentioned.He was obviously gay.Its propbably one of the main reasons he chose to stay in ireland.If he made it really big anywhere else he would have been outed.If any of his fans where to find out they wouldnt believe.He must have been completely ashamed of what he was throughout his life.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.2.65 (talk • contribs)
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- The "speculation" aspect is already mentioned. Any definitive assertions about Dolan's sexuality should be FULLY sourced and cited. Comments by anon that he was "obviously gay", and "that's why he stayed in Ireland", and "he was completely ashamed of it" are TOTALLY speculative, and are not a basis for additions to the article. Guliolopez (talk) 15:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
