Talk:Jim Bakker

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  • " It isn't really appropriate to state that Jrarchy which can exercise discipline over its credentialed ministers. This discipline is handled on the district level by a district superintendent and a district presbytery. (Districts roughly correspond with states, though some states have more than one district, and some districts comprise more than on state.) I believe that Bakker actually resigned his A/G credentialed before they were taken away (the Assemblies of God equivalent of "defrocking"), but I don't have anything other than personal recollection right now. Realkyhick 01:42, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I deleted a long newspaper article that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. See the article history for its conents. Also, when were Jim and Tammy Faye divorced? RickK 20:46, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)


Anyone have any actual biographical info that is not about the scandals? DJ Clayworth 15:16, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

  • There's not much available, since the scandal pretty much defined the Bakkers. What there is may have been written before the scandals, and since the scandals predate the Internet, they're likely not online. Realkyhick 01:42, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
He is a pretty dirty man. I see what Falwell meant. He gives a bad name to Pentecostals everywhere. I heard that he was also bisexual here, and since it is sourced added it to the article. Эйрон Кинни 06:42, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Frank Zappa - Jesus Thinks Your A Jerk This song may be worth mentioning in the same way it worth adding the Metallic reference. This song is almost exclusively about Jim, Tammy and Pat [1] This song is mentioned in the Tammy Faye Bakker article.


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[edit] Jim Bakker's family

I really want more biographical info. I remember that sometime in 1999-2000 Rolling Stone magazine did an article on Jim Bakker's son, who has since covered himself in tattoos and started an urban ministry / skateboard enthusiast club. Can someone say more? 128.208.95.118 21:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Birth Date

I changed Jim Bakker's year of birth from 1939 to 1940. He mentioned on a telecast on his program, the Jim Bakker Show, on April 22, 2008, he was born in 1940. I am going to take his word for it.--Susan Nunes 13 May 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.228.60.24 (talk) 05:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Error regarding the Ozzy song

Miracle Man" is not about Bakker. It's actually about Jimmy Swaggart; ("Now Jimmy he got busted / With his pants Down"). In a live recording of the song tacked onto a later CD version of "No Rest for the Wicked" Ozzy introduces the song as "about a friend of mine named Jimmy Swaggart".

[edit] Bisexuality?

[edit] "Trivia" Renamed to "Jim Bakker in Popular Culture"

It seemed more encylopedic that way. I also removed the "trivia warning" as a result. RSLancastr 21:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

This section was removed without discussion. Perhaps it should be restored until/unless its content is added to other sections per the nonbinding/nonpolicy WP:HTRIV. Mike Doughney 11:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I've edited this article for bio style with an Infobox and addition of sourced text. The unsourced stuff having old {{cn}} tags needed to go per WP:BLP. A brief, representative sampling of popular culture refs. is included for encyclopedic purposes, but certainly not an all-inclusive list. JGHowes talk - 22:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the "Jim Bakker in Popular Culture" section? It was deleted without discussion. So I've restored it. Thattherepaul 00:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)thattherepaul

[edit] Fair Use

The book cover is a valid fair use of the image as long as the book is discussed in the text. If it wasn't the fair use rules would not apply. Anynobody 08:15, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Two Different Shows

I watched The Eyes of Tammy Faye, and in it Tammy Faye says that there were actually two shows at the beginning: a children's show with puppets in the morning, and the 700 club talk/variety show at night. Nospamtodd 13:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction in the article?

From the article:

Between 1984 and 1987, the Bakkers received annual salaries of $200,000 each and Jim awarded himself over $4,000,000 in bonuses.

and

The board of PTL, independent of Jim and Tammy, awarded the Bakkers the 3+ million dollar bonus over a period of five years. They also determined Jim Bakker's salary of $200,000 per year.

silsor 01:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

This needs much more sourcing. (The whole article) Particularly because he's alive and controversial. Basejumper2 04:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, this article had a lot of totally unsourced information, which is surprising in light of Wikipedia's strict policies regarding Living Persons biographies. I've cut the previously tagged unsourced items, but there's still more that's got to be edited out, unless someone finds reliable sources. JGHowes talk - 02:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Allegations removed

I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.

Please do not reinsert this material unless you can provide reliable citations, and can ensure it is written in a neutral tone. Please review the relevant policies before editing in this regard. Editors should note that failure to follow this policy may result in the removal of editing privileges.--Docg 21:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Doc. This should be removed until sourced properly. JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 00:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree. I previously did a major edit on this article on October 28, deleting all of the unsourced text, as noted above ("Trivia renamed..." section) and on Article History, but it keeps coming back. JGHowes talk - 01:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conviction

Has anyone got sourced information on his trial, conviction, and prison sentence? I know he served time with at least two other people who have Wikipedia articles. Rklawton (talk) 16:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Jay Bakker's book, Son of a Preacher Man, which I have, delves into the trial and incarceration in some detail. I'll try and get to it in the next few days. JGHowes talk - 11:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heritage USA

Hello, I have added some descriptives to the atmosphere of HeritageUSA under the Bakkers. These were from my own observation, and can be referenced to Richard Ostling's articles at the time in TIME magazine. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 18:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

See this article as well as others at the time with the same bylines in TIME.Ousting Two from the Clergy, TIME, Richard Ostling
User:MarmadukePercy, I realize you're new at this, but it's essential for biographies of living persons to use and cite reliable sources. Since you have a Time magazine reference, please cite that reference in the article. Unsourced material gets removed from living persons biographies, per guideline WP:BLP. With regard to unsourced content based on personal experience, that should not be added to Wikipedia articles: the guideline is found at WP:PSTS. JGHowes talk - 21:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, thank you.MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)