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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 17:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What about the University?

the weight of unpopular opinion about Dr. Falwell is more than enough to keep what has been fairly attributed to him on this article. but what about Liberty University? the article on it, itself, seems to be pretty fair and even historical. more focus should be given to Falwell's influence on the school. according to the man himself, it's the one thing he would like to be remembered by (as impossible as that probably is, now). that would be the key to objectivity here --he's spent a good deal of his life doing it, after all.

[edit] Quote

This 'turn the other cheek' business is all well and good but it's not what Jesus fought and died for. That is such an outrageous quote from a Christian leader that it must have a source. I've removed the entire quote until we do. DJ Clayworth 16:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fatwa for Falwell's death

The following Friday, Mohsen Mojtahed Shabestari, the spokesman of Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khameini, issued a fatwa for Falwell's death, saying that Falwell was a "mercenary and must be killed," and, "The death of that man is a religious duty, but his case should not be tied to the Christian community." Can we get a source for this?

[edit] Falwell and Harry Potter

I saw on TV a while back when he was on a show called Talkback Live! on CNN, and they were discussing the Harry Potter books, and JF was saying they would teach children devil worship. I can't find a transcript link however, even on CNN's website. I don't think that show segment is still running on CNN anymore. Otani 23:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The PTL Club and Heritage USA

I have removed the last paragraph of the The PTL Club and Heritage USA section.

“ According to the 2000 documentary The Eyes of Tammy Faye, Falwell manipulated the Bakkers into giving up control of PTL, and then publicly attacked Jim Bakker for greed and alleged homosexuality. Tammy Faye Bakker and husband Roe Messner both allege that Falwall instructed her to write down details of the salary package provided to the Bakkers, and Falwell then characterized the list as the demands of the Bakkers. Falwell always denied these allegations. ”

This paragraph just had all kinds of problems. For one, it's an unsourced allegation and we do not need that in high profile articles. For another, if Bakker's documentary is making this claim (and I have no idea one way or another), then it needs to be phrased more like "Bakker says in ...". I'm not familiar with this documentary, but I am going out on a limb and assuming from the name that it is a Michael Moore-like "documentary" in that it is not necessarilly from a NPOV. --BigDT 01:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that it should be put in the controversy section, beings it was one of the many things he continued up until the end of his life. Ms.Mesner was on Larry King Live Tonight, and if you read the transcripts I think the paragraph would make a bit more sense. I hope. *Falwell Aparently took over Tammy Fae and her husbands old group (Im not sure on specifics) and they have always had a bit of animosity amongst them. Nimrauko 02:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brown v. Board of Education quote

Interesting that paragraphs are allowed to remain in the article with no substantiation. See the second paragraph under item #6 Social and Political Views. No attributable link is attached but the comment is allowed to stand. So much for fairness.

I removed this from the section: He often spoke out in favor of the racist position in those days. For example, in 1958, he said:

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If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision [Brown v. Board of Education] would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”
Well, it seems that he was right. --41.242.229.25 (talk) 14:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The quote was not referenced. It was not from the salon.com article that is being used as ref. If you can give a source for where this quote is coming from I will be more than glad to put it back. Any objections?Nimrauko 13:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Call me Lilith

I don't see it in the article, but, didn't his newspaper as much as say, since Lilith was Adam's first wife (& a demon?), the Lilith Fair was a tool of Satan? Damion 17:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

That was generally considered by much of Protestant Christianity as apocryphal, meaning that they feel there is little truth behind this (and none concerning this tale). We got his newspaper for a time during the late 1990s, but I don't know if that was before or after 1999 (the time we received it)? WAVY 10 18:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Never saw it, myself, but it would have been '99-'00. Trekphiler 04:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Section headings/organizations and NPOV

I am considering placing an NPOV tag on the article. The section headings from "Election fund improprieties" on seem badly organized in a way designed to not adhere to NPOV. How does "Homosexuality", "Teletubbies", "September 11th attacks", or "Labor unions" fit as a subheading related to election funds? I'm not sure how to reorganize, so I leave it to those with more involvement in the article. I am slapping a {{fact}} flag on the one sentence directly under that heading, as it is unreferenced. GRBerry 17:26, 30 August 2007

[edit] Talk section need Archiving

Could an editor familiar with the content of the article and these talk section please archive old discussions? Thank you! Benjiboi 21:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Update. I've moved all conversations that seemed obsolete to the archive pages, If I've erred feel free to start a new relevant conversation (about the article only please) or quote some lingering thread that needs to be revisited. p.s. For those unaware we try to archive talk pages to keep the length down for those with slower connection speeds. It not only aids them but also any editor trying to understand the current issues to be addressed. Benjiboi 19:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Teletubbies content

Someone has taken great pains to distance the teletubbies comments away from Falwell. Firstly the idea that Falwell wasn't the first to have stated this is not that relevant but if it must be included then trim the extraneous content about who what when where why etc as we don't include that about every outlandish comment someone makes or supports. Secondly, even if Falwell didn't write the article he was widely credited with it as well as making statements of the same so at least stating that he was credited even though...would be more appropriate and make sense in the content of this bio. Benjiboi 21:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Removal of LBGT section

I'm not sure who put this section here, but as many people already know Jerry Falwell throught his life has fought gay rights and many things associated with them. In order to place an LBGT section on a famous person, the person in question will have to show evidence of alledged non heterosexuality ( example, Gay,Lesbian,Bisexual,Transgendered) or at least evidence of support of LBGT causes.In this case, Jerry Falwell was in fact both a complete heterosexual, and a very famous outspoken homophobe. So in other words, he cannot be included in an LBGT section.

Lostinsidemyworld 14:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The LGBT Project has within its scope articles relating to LGBT issues. Inclusion does not mean that the subject matter is gay. Fireplace 15:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. You actually answered the concern - "Jerry Falwell was in fact both a complete heterosexual, and a very famous outspoken homophobe". This is why he is included, he was very interested in the gay community. Benjiboi 18:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
A section on Falwell's opinion of LBGT certainly should be here. It wouldnt imply he was BGT.
Wageslave (talk) 02:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mention of controversies in the lead paragraph

I think it would considerate to mention, in the lead paragraph, at least, that Jerry Falwell had been involved in many controversies as this is one of the main reasons why he is notable. --Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 08:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Per WP:Lede, a short neutral summary would be appropriate. Benjiboi 23:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Falwell was a very controversial figure.Wageslave (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I think it got reverted because it came from an anonymous user when mention was made in the paragraph, but I re-added it. The quote, I thought, was appropriate since Falwell never shied away from controversy. We can argue over "controversial" or "very controversial" or "highly controversial" or "wow, WTF" on the talk page if that's an issue. 67.181.62.180 (talk) 04:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)