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[edit] Splitting Jefferson Airplane / Jefferson Starship

I have set up this article using information originally included in the main article about Jefferson Airplane.

I felt that the connections between the two bands are not sufficiently strong to justify keeping the information in the Airplane article, especially in regard to the later band, Starship, which has almost no connection with Jefferson Airplane either stylistically or in terms of personnel.

I also felt that the large amount of personnel/discographical detail about Jefferson Starship and Starship made the Airplane article (IMO) overlong and very messy and that it was best dealt with by setting up a separate article.

As I have no interest in these later bands, I'm hoping someone with an interest in them will continue to edit and refine this new article.

There is some concern about the removal of this material from the Airplane article but I feel that it is warranted and improves both articles in terms of concision and relevance.Dunks 03:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe they are more connected, as Paul Kantner was in the band from 1965 - 1984; They used the same office staff between Airplane and Starship; Jefferson Starship continued to use 2400 Fulton Street as a base of operations until 1985; The Grunt Records label was used until 1987; Bill Thompson continued to be their manager all the way to 1991; However, I think that splitting the articles is a good idea considering the size of them. JoeD80 (talk) 20:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting Jefferson Starship / Jefferson Starship: TNG

On the subject of splitting articles, it is probably a good idea to separate the Jefferson Starship of 1991 - Present from the one before. The current Jefferson Starship is related more to KBC Band than to the old Jefferson Starship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.149.74.206 (talk) 02:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. Tim Gorman and Slick Aguilar both started in KBC. JoeD80 (talk) 22:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting Jefferson Starship / Starship: Why?

What's the reason for splitting these two articles? The band didn't break up and re-form. The band just continued without David Freiberg and Paul Kantner and recorded Knee Deep in the Hoopla with Peter Wolf who had done work on Nuclear Furniture. They continued with the same staff and same manager, and still released on Grunt Records as I mentioned above. (The original split that seemed appropriate was Jefferson Airplane / Jefferson Starship) JoeD80 (talk) 22:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Also the Greatest Hits album released in 1991 contains tracks from Freedom at Point Zero, Modern Times, and Nuclear Furniture. JoeD80 (talk) 22:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the splits were probably not necessary, and that Starship and Jefferson Starship were basically the same band, but I disagree with your combination of KBC Band and TNG into one article; no one in the band has asserted that they are the same group (even if there are similarities), and thus to avoid WP:NOR, and since we have enough to say about both, I have created Jefferson Starship - The Next Generation for consistency. Every differently named band now has its own article: Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna, Jefferson Starship, KBC Band, Starship (band), and Jefferson Starship - The Next Generation. ProhibitOnions (T) 11:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
That discussion is just right above. Five members of KBC were in TNG, so it seemed logical. They even played a lot of KBC songs in concert. No one spoke up so I moved it. Splitting it is probably the best though, since all the others were split, and you are right that no one called it the same band. JoeD80 (talk) 20:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merging "Jefferson Starship " and "Jefferson Starship - The Next Generation"

There's a discussion about merging "Jefferson Starship" and "Jefferson Starship - The Next Generation" at "Talk:Jefferson Starship - The Next Generation#Merge proposal". Please comment there to keep that discussion in one place. — Mudwater (Talk) 11:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lawsuit

The lawsuit was not over the name Jefferson Starship. The issue was about who controls Jefferson Airplane, Inc.'s interests. Paul didn't win the suit; there was a settlement out of court. Grace and Bill Thompson held on to Grunt Records. The agreement at the end of the suit was that if Paul left the band, Paul could not use the name "Jefferson" or "Airplane" for any of his projects unless all the owners of Jefferson Airplane, Inc. agreed to it (Bill Thompson, Paul Kantner, Grace Slick, Jorma Kaukonen, Jack Casady). Paul was then paid $80,000 for signing the agreement. JoeD80 (talk) 22:56, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:JeffersonStarship.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)