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[edit] Regarding Deletion Tag

Jaq Hawkins is a prominent author on Chaos Magic and the Goblin Trilogy and is well respected within the magical and neo-pagan communities. What would be required to raise the notability of this page? Alosel 12:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I believe she complies with the Wiki criterious of having "A large fan base, fan listing or "cult" following". Her books are also widepsread and easily obtained, and have been through internet and magazine reviewed. Alosel 21:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
She is cited in other works. Uncle Ramsey's Little Book of Demons by Ramsey Dukes, Modern Sex Magic by Donald Michael Kraig and Clive Harper's Bibliography of Austin Osman Spare.Marcyoung 19:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I strongly suspect this entry - as well as that on her novel - was set up by the author herself, in direct contravention of Wiki rules on self-advertising. The user "Marcyoung" has only written entries on this author and her novel, which is highly dubious. Ghostwords 6 November 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 16:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

This entry is continually manipulated as a marketing tool for the subject. As such it's not really worthy of the Wikipedia project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.54.136 (talk) 08:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hangon

A number of related articles were recently AfDed and most were kept, several speedily kept (e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Carroll and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Hine). This article does not merit speedy deletion. It at least should go through AfD process. —Hanuman Das 06:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Apparently there has been some vandalism on this page? What from did this take? ~Alosel~ | (Talk) 22:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most Popular What?

She is possibly second only to her close friend J.K. Rowling as one of the best-known and well-loved writers in the fantasy genre.

...do I spy a little self-editing/self-promotion by someone there? Because you know, she could be one of the best-known. If her book hadn't only sold 2000 copies and all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.81.182 (talk) 23:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. How about a NPOV tag? It reads like a promotional website SolarBreeze 00:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Just removed the aforementioned comment, 'possibly second only to her close friend J.K. Rowling as one of the best-known and well-loved writers in the fantasy genre' - what, so more well loved than Tolkien? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liquidcow (talk • contribs) 00:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editors

I'm a little sick here of the minor edit war happening. I for one am trying to keep this page up-to-date, neutral and well referenced. I get the distinct feeling that whoever is editing this is doing for the purpose of having it deleted for some malicious purpose. I am keeping a close eye on this page, an it would help if those editing actually knew what they ere on about... ~Alosel~ | (Talk) 16:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] articles are named after the most common name by which someone/thing is known

Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Use_common_names_of_persons_and_things, not the 'proper/real name. Such as Cliff Richard- we don't have a 'Harry Webb' or a 'Reg Dwight' for Elton John article. So that would be Jaq D. Hawkins, her writing name. 'denise channing' 363 unfaffed with google mentions- Jaq D. Hawkins- 1,350 mentions.Merkinsmum 01:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

User:IPSOS did you do a redirect unilaterally without discussion?:) Just curious:)Merkinsmum 01:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone changed it so that the page re-named as Denise Channing, so I changed all mention of the subject from "Hawkins/Jaq D. Hawkins" to "Channing/Denise Channing". I think it makes sense... this is how she was refered to in "Dragons' Den" and in various other medias, such as the Norwich news who have printed many articles about her. I think Jaq D. Hawkins should be used in articles about her books, but kept as Denise Channing here. Any opinions? ~Alosel~ | (Talk) 12:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Jaq D Hawkins is the name by which she's most well known to the public, people mostly won't have read her local paper, the Norwich News, they won't unless they are fans of hers or live in Norwich. However they may have heard of her from her articles and writings under the name of Jaq. D. I doubt her books are notable enough to have their own entries, have their been many reviews of them in the Guardian for instance or any other mainstream publication? No doubt'Reg Dwight' was in a few articles under that name in his local paper. So Dragon's Den is the only thing nationally broadcast where she has used this name, compared to the possible national distribution of her name on all her books.Merkinsmum 15:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Author has confirmed correct name of page

Obviously we can't know it's her but this IP certainly edits like her, and on it's talk page User_talk:82.31.179.173 she's mentioned unprompted "The page about me should be under Jaq D Hawkins, I am internationally known by that name and Denise Channing is hardly known or likely to be." User:IPSOS, who moved the page unilaterally, has now been bannned from wikipedia (not for that- for numerous unrelated edits.) It is also sort of a privacy issue, as this is a name I think she uses in everyday life.Merkinsmum 15:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Would you like to change it back? Unfortunately, I wouldn't know hom ~Alosel~ | (Talk) 20:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Done.:) Alosel if you ever want to move a page in future, the option is directly under 'edit this page' in the bottom left.Merkinsmum (talk) 00:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'real' ? name channing

Seems not quite right to mention her name as Channing, as though she uses it I'm not sure if it is her current completely 'real' name. It is her partner's name, but I don't think they're married. So I don't know whether the article should call that her real name, current name, other name used or what? We don't want to mislead even if Ms.Hawkins uses it.Merkinsmum (talk) 00:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you know so much about this person, I wonder? If you know so much, perhaps you could factor into the article some information about her weird mid-Atlantic accent. 82.34.216.33 (talk) 13:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Mid-Atlantic? Ok I don't know the coding for these pages, but you're talking to Jaq. Channing was an ex-partner, but the name was legally changed. It's still relatively unknown. My accent is mixed. I spent a fair bit of time living in the States married to an Army serviceman. I also spent a large part of my adolescence in California. I live in Norwich, my last address was in Yorkshire. The DD publicity has led to 4 radio interviews, 3 newspaper articles, a television appearance and a new small investor so far. I have a filming day next week which is likely to expand that. The name JDH is widely known within the subject area in which I have done the most writing so far, and I've done public speaking on the subject on 3 continents (North America, Asia, Europe), and am known in Australia. If I was really counting I know I have one fan in Africa, but don't know about South America. I think we can rule out Antarctica. If you want more details, try asking. I'm actually easy to talk to. I don't do ego, and no, I didn't start this page. ~ Jaq

erm, you don't do ego?;) Wikipedia is a tertiary source, what that means is we find reliable sources that have written about the subject, then report them, we doon't just take the author's word for it, not that we think you are lying or anything, that's just how it works here.Merkinsmum (talk) 15:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

As to how I know so much lol, I don't, I just gooogled as part of researching the article with the words jaq d. hawkins channing , and the first entry [www.spiralnature.com/reviews/book/hawkinsjd.html] comes up with part of it as "The text is beautifully complimented by artwork from her partner, Anton Channing."Merkinsmum (talk) 15:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Soooooo...if I say a date is my birthday, and some stranger says it's another day, they are considered the authority? Anton Channing WAS my partner. We split about 2 years ago, but are still friends. Google picks up old pages and references, sometimes they are outdated. Oh, and my legal name is subject to sudden and disruptive changes. I've been married more than once and tend to drop ex's names when we divorce, but not always go back to my birth name. For many years I used my mother's maiden name, just as a matter of preference. So JDH is more consistent as well as considerably more widely known. And no, I don't do ego. Yes I promote my books on my own author website, just like every other author website in existence. That's what an author website does. You don't get your story out by keeping it a secret. That's the only reason DOTG hasn't had a lot more copies out, no advertising. Don't think for one second I do the media stuff for personal attention, the main reason I have a pen name has been to avoid that. The film requires making noise. I learned a thing or two about publicity in L.A. So I will make some noise and get word of the film out. Then I will crawl back in my grotto and write quietly, and let the story carry itself forward. BTW, next edition of Chaos Monkey has all new pics, done by the cover artist who did DOTG. But I guess you'll have to hear about that from someone else before it's official. ;P ~ Jaq

One of the reasons for that is because, as was said on my talk page, if a person is involved personally with a perticular subject they one's perspective will be different than to one who edits the article with research and a neutral stance. I think the former is overcome if you're able to cite the information and so forth. No doubt other authors and people close to a project edit certain pages, as long as they understand the implication of such a relationship ~Alosel~ | (Talk) 22:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Alosel-if you have been given info that's not available to everyone else, that's called Original Research WP:OR, which isn't used on wikipedia because because it's not information everyone can check up in published, reliable sources. Plus you don't always get the neutral version of the story, as has been seen from the articles and edits you've made, a good few editors have said that in the past they weren't written from a neutral point of view of their importance, or reflecting reality. This is not your fault, just what you've been led to believe from your sources- why do you think you are being told this? Others tend to give a spin or the edited version of their lives to those they want to buy their products or make an impression with, the target audience for their products.

Jaq, as you say, your name is prone to sudden change, was sort of my point, it's not necessarily your permanent or definitive name it's just what your currently called or something. So I think we might have to word it slightly different to someone who uses the same name for half their life. But we don't need to go on at length about it in the article itself, it was sort of a minor point.:) I was saying we might call it your current name or another you use or something.Merkinsmum (talk) 11:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, original research should be kept to a minimum, but I didn't just put it in willynilly. A lot of the original research I look in other books if the information is the same, such as "The Encyclopedia or Modern Witchcraft and Neo Paganism", "The Encyclopedia of Magic and Witchcraft" and books on Chaos. Somethings, such as birth dates, and little edits like the nature of the author's role in Arconium I use directly, as they aren't widely known. Not to sound to egotistical, even if I know the subject personally, I try to make sure it's neutral anywho, sometimes some thing spill through, but, some trolls were making obviously positively-biased edits, then complainging on this and other pages that it wasn't being neutral, such as the JK Rowling comment, or minor edits. You can confirm through the history. ~Alosel~ | (Talk) 00:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

It's fine as it is now, until something changes. It is currently my legal name. BTW technically, I've never written under the name Mark Chao. That was a BBS handle (pre-Internet)and an article I had written for Mezlim as Jaq D Hawkins was uploaded to a BBS by a friend of mine, who attached the handle to it. Years later, after I had been off-line during the early years of Internet development, a friend of mine did a search on the name and found that 79 websites were carrying the article with Mark Chao credited as the author. There was even a mystery going on as to who 'he' was. I found it all very amusing, and contacted the various websites to give them a link to the article's page on my then new author site. I'm not suggesting yet another change, just thought I would share the story for fun. ~ Jaq —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.179.173 (talk) 16:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] rv-ing 'birth name'

an anon IP keeps putting 'birth name' but Jaq above says herself that it is not so. I hate to revert people but I'm going to change it to 'legal name.' and message whoever it is to get them to view this page.Merkinsmum 02:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you get notifications when there's a change or something? They've screwed up my birthdate again. I'm not going to believe much of anything that I read on Wiki ever again. Not that it's an important point, but if people can't get little things right, what are they going to be like on important points? So what did I miss about my birth name? Actually, it could be fun to sit back and see if it's possible to trace it. If anyone is really that bothered. But of course I can't add that information, because it's about me and I couldn't possibly be objective about it. ;)~ Jaq

Lol hun, I would have to look it up, or could you link to an article with it in? I don't check the talk page that often but I do check the page history and revert obvious vandals:) /things I know are wrong. The special, the random, the lovely Merkinsmum 01:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] nationality

Article keeps saying Jaq's British. However, she was born in the U.S. Does she have dual nationality, and can we prove that via WP:RS? :) The special, the random, the lovely Merkinsmum 01:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)