Talk:Jami al-Tawarikh

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[edit] French version

English version of (23:07, 1 November 2007) = French version of (24 septembre 2007 à 20:03) -- for anyone in future that wants to synchronise later updates.

[edit] Other manuscripts

Hits for other manuscripts, possibly later copies, found on Google.

U.Chicago microfilm list [1]:

  • Topkapi Sarayi Muzesi ms. Revan 1518. Copied Baghdad 1317-18. Microfilmed, 1985.
  • London: British Museum ms. Add. 16 688
  • Vienna: Osterreichische Nationalbibliothek ms. Mxt. 326 (Flugel 957) (MMP 23 045)

Misc hits

  • Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris, France. Pix: [2],[3].

[edit] Other online images/webpages

  • U. Edinburgh [4]

[edit] Sale prices

On July 8, 1980 what is now the Khalili portion sold at Sotheby's for £850,000 - $2,017,050 to a firm of Swiss lawyers acting for an unidentified client. [5]

Khalili acquired it in 1990. He is variously claimed to have paid for it $10 million (Forbes, 2005), $12 million (Bloomberg/Herald Tribune, 2007), or an undisclosed amount, "reportedly the most expensive ever sold, although the price has never been revealed." (The Art Newspaper, 2007).

Jheald 10:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

FYI, I have (temporary) access to Blair's Compendium of Chronicles and Gray's History of the World, if anyone would like to doublecheck exact sources on anything related to this article. A copy of the Compendium was especially difficult to find. The images in the book are beautiful, I wish we could use them. I've written to Edinburgh for permission but haven't heard back yet. --Elonka 00:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Under U.S. copyright (which is different to U.K. copyright), we probably can use the images, since they are no more than faithful reproductions of original artwork which is now out of copyright, and do not reflect any particular new application of artistic skill. See Bridgeman vs Corel, and {{PD-Art}}. Jheald (talk) 12:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Alas, both books were published in the UK.  :/ According to the PD-art guidelines at the Commons, UK-published books are "Not okay".[6] --Elonka 00:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
There's a difference between Commons and en-Wikipedia -- Commons is supposed to be a treasury of freely reusable material, re-usable for almost any purpose, on any servers, worldwide; but en-Wikipedia is a specific project, hosted in the U.S., with a large U.S. readership.
As a result, Commons requires that
"The rule for images claimed to be in the public domain at the Commons is that they must be in the public domain in their source country as well as in the U.S."
But, as I understand it, the test for uploading to en-Wikipedia is less stringent, and requires only that the images be allowed under U.S. law. Jheald (talk) 10:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
{{PD-art-US}} would appear to be the nearest template, with an explanatory note. Jheald (talk) 12:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Translations

Any English versions availible (especially public domain ones we could copy into wikisource)?Lexington1 (talk) 04:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)