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[edit] Thurs
This article says:
| “ | "Thurs" is also the name of the rune ᚦ, which later evolved into the letter Þ. | ” |
However, Thurs is mentioned nowhere else in the article. Who was Thurs? — Reinyday,
"Thurs" means Þurs, another word for Jötunn (mentioned in the article). The letter Þ (thorn) is pronounced Th, as in "thorn". I altered the spelling for consistency. - Björn Ómarsson
[edit] Couple of Points for cleanup
The Bifrost pages says (and that is the way I remember it) that it goes from Asgard to Midgard. This article says it goes to Jotun.
There is already a list of giants in Category:Norse giants. It seems redundant to have a seperate list here rather than linking to the other.
PerlKnitter 14:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I noticed this phrase in the section on character of this article;
| “ | "far more connected to the gods than to the scum occupying Jotunheim" | ” |
and thought this was possibly too emotional, so I edited 'scum' to 'other giants'.
I've also come across mention that Surt may have actually been the first giant, before even Ymir, and is still supposed to be in existence. I shall try and find a reference for this, assuming that a reference is needed for it to be said that some people think this? Haloquin 18:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jötunn in Icelandic
This article says:
| “ | In modern Icelandic jötunn has evolved to mean "strength". | ” |
This is not true. There are several words for strength in Icelandic, but Jötun is not one of them. In Icelandic, a big, strong man can be galled a "jötun" or "risi", meaning giant. In old-fashioned and poetic Icelandic, someone "going berserk", exerting extravagant strength and being very angry can be said to be in "Jötunmóður", which roughly translates to Giant-mode (e.g. the poem "nú er frost á fróni" (e. it is frost in Iceland) "...kveður kuldahljóð, Kári í jötunmóð...", which roughly translates: "...makes cold-sounds, the wind in Jötunmóður...")
I changed this sentance to: "In modern Icelandic jötunn kept its original meaning"
Björn Ómarsson
[edit] Silly Question
The connection between Old English word ent "giant", Old Norse jötunn "giant" and Finnish jätti "giant" is not certain, but does certainly not seem too far fetched[citation needed], when remembered that Finno-Ugric languages are still spoken nearby the areas of Tibetan language.
Can't help but ask: Could there be any possible connection between 'Jaetti' and 'Yeti' (the legendary, large Himalayan snow-man) ?
[edit] Ivaldi
I removed Ivaldi from the list of giants since according to the Eddas the sons of Ivaldi are dwarves. However, if someone can point to a mention of him as a giant in the Saga literature then feel free to revert it. Cerdic 04:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Some scholars equate the Dvergar (or Svartálfar) "sons of Ívaldi" with the Jötnar "sons of Ölvaldi". But even per this hypothesis suggests Ívaldi is a Dvergr who took a Jötunn as a wife and had half-giant children. For Reaves suggestion, see Dark elves hypothesis. In any case, Ívaldi himself shouldnt be included among the giants. --Haldrik (talk) 15:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] List of names
I'm going to continue mining the Eddas and expanding the list of names but it'll probably need to be made into a separate article eventually, like with Odin and Thor. Cerdic 00:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] FuÞark Þurisaz, jotunn and hunger
For linking the fuÞark rune Þurisaz and giants, could you please take from the following text support for the argument. Looking comparatively with another Indo-European language, in this case Romanian, we find the a word similar to Þurisaz: "uriaş" which means "giant" [1]. Interestingly, the word for giant is linked in a number of ways with hunger: in a substratum related language, Albanian ( Origin of the Albanians ) "uri" means "hunger" [2]; compare to this wikipedia entry for a Jotunn “glutton” giant, where we find the Old Norse term [Þu]“risi”; this thematic link of giants (“rephaim” in Hebrew [3]) and hunger is also found in the Book of Enoch chapter XV. ... 11. “And the spirits of the giants ... cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences.” [4]”; also the giant weilding his hammer/club/ass’ jawbone to bring rain and end hunger, such as Urion Orion (mythology) chasing the rainmaking Pleiades. Gabrieli 13:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What is the ö?
According to Old Norse#Orthography, ö is an "alternative" spelling which can unfortunately both be an ǫ or an ø. So which one is it? I'm guessing it's an ø but I cannot be sure. Please fix the article to use the standard spelling. Shinobu (talk) 11:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
