Talk:Izmail

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[edit] Requested move

It is hereby proposed to move Izmail, Ukraine to Izmail to reverse current redirect. No ambiguity in "Izmail". Proposed move posted at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#June_20,_2005 -Irpen 20:41, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

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  • Support as per above. -Irpen 20:41, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Support it was my mistake to name it "Izmail, Ukraine".(Fisenko 21:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC))
  • Support bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 21:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. Alexander 007 22:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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I just went and moved it. There seemed to be no reason to require the vote. Cheers. —Michael Z. 2005-06-21 05:26 Z

I think you only moved "talk". The article is still Izmail, Ukraine and Izmail redirects to Izmail, Ukraine. I tried to move it but I could not. -Irpen 06:21, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
So I moved the talk page back so that it links with the article page. Better that they are moved together. 17:49, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Eek, oops. Thanks for fixing that. —Michael Z. 2005-06-21 19:21 Z

ARTICLE MOVED now. Issue closed. Thanks! -Irpen July 1, 2005 18:44 (UTC)

[edit] Unfortunate redirect

Siege of Izmail redirects here, although this article doesn't treat the siege. Anyone know why this is? UnDeadGoat 22:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name and fortress

This article states: The fortress of Izmail was built by Genoese merchants in the 12th century. And: The town was first mentioned with the name Şmil, derived from name of an Ottoman Empire Grand Vizier. On the article Budjak however, we read: Under the Ottomans [...] Chilia lost importance due to the construction of the Ismail fortress at the locatation of the Moldavian village Smil.
Either of these statements is true, or none of them, but I hardly believe that both are. Either the fortress was Genoese, or it was built by the Ottomans much later (after 1484), so that Chilia could lose its importance for that reason. And either the name Şmil is derived from the name of a grand vizier, or it was the name of a Moldavian village (why would a Moldavian village have the name of an Ottoman grand vizier?)
I think that we have four possibilities:

  1. There was a Genoese fortress at this place, but the Turkish name Izmail dates from the Ottoman era.
  2. There was no fortress here before the Ottomans came, and the Turkish name Izmail came together with the fortress they built.
  3. There was a Genoese fortress here, and a Moldavian village as well: Smil. The latter gave the city its name.
  4. There was no Genoese fortress here, but there was a Moldavian village: Smil. The latter gave the city its name.

I don't know what to choose, but it should be mentioned that in the article Recherches sur les Ottomans et la Moldavie ponto-danubienne entre 1484 et 1520 (Nicoară Beldiceanu et al., 1982, to be found in JSTOR) there is no mention about a place or fortress called Smil or Izmail in this area. Fransvannes (talk) 18:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conquered

The city wasn't reconquered by the russians in 1877, since russians and romanians were fighting together against the ottomans. The city's ocuppation was an abuse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.137.228.216 (talk) 11:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)