Talk:Italian wine

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	Wine Portal Italian wine is part of WikiProject Wine, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of wines, grapes, wine producers and wine growing regions. Please work to improve this article, or visit our project page where you can join the project and find other ways of helping.
Start	This article has been rated as start-Class on the assessment scale.
Top	This article has been rated as top-importance on the importance scale within WikiProject Wine.
Assessment comments This article has been rated for quality and/or importance but has no comments yet. If appropriate, please review the article and then leave comments here to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article and what work it will need.
WikiProject Wine open tasks Make visible or invisible by clicking Show or Hide, respectively. Here are some tasks you can do for WikiProject Wine: Article request: Charles Krug, John Patchett, Global warming and wine, Mesoclimate, History of French wine, History of German wine, History of Spanish wine, History of Italian wine, California wine regions, Vine training systems, wine list Expand: any of the ~1000 wine stubs, particularly the region and "miscellaneous" ones Improve: Cabernet Franc, Canadian wine, Greek wine, Sangiovese, Vitis vinifera, wine serving temperature, other Start class articles Articles to GA: Wine, Australian wine, Bordeaux wine, Burgundy wine, California wine, Champagne (wine), Chianti, Dessert wine, French wine, German wine, Grenache, Italian wine, Merlot, Pinot gris, Pinot noir, Rioja (wine), Sauvignon blanc, Shiraz (grape), Spanish wine, Sparkling wine, Winemaking, Zinfandel Articles to FA: Cabernet Sauvignon, Riesling, Tempranillo Cleanup: Table wine, Wine competition, Wine tasting, red links in Spanish_wine_regions Peer review:Tempranillo, Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a wine guide, Alcohol in the Bible Copyedit: Aligoté, Cabernet franc, Chenin blanc, Malbec, Robert M. Parker, Jr., Pinot blanc, Rioja (wine), Tempranillo Photo request: Just about all of them! Any pictures of wine regions, grape varieties or wine would be useful. In particular we need wine region maps that can be licensed for Wikipedia. Collaboration: Operation stub-killer, Nominations for top level importance Wine Improvement Drive: French wine Infobox: Template:Infobox grape variety, Template:Infobox Winery Other: Comment on the grape article template and on the grape infobox. view • edit • discuss • history • watch

Contents 1 Generalizations 2 HI 3 Another thing! 4 account 5 Category confusion 6 History section 7 Merge Discussion 8 Production stats 9 Misleading

[edit] Generalizations

I've been working heavily on this article, but I think the introduction could defnitiely use improvement...anyone want to tackle it? The generalizations are particularly troubling. Jtascarella 18:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC) I find this article quite interesting because you do not find many books these days that give this kind of informatiom. In all I give it a B+.

[edit] HI

I just wanted to say that I started the Italian Wine section after doing a school project on Italy, and my dad edited it. Thanks for continuing it guys!!! 67.78.21.14 23:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another thing!

Hi! It's me again. This is the part I wrote and my dad edited, in case anyone was wondering:

''''Wine is a popular beverage in Italy. Many Italians drink it with every meal and in-between, and offer it to guests as soon as they arrive. Grapes are grown in almost every part of Italy, with more than 1 million vineyards under cultivation. Each region is proud of its carefully tended, neatly pruned vines. In some places the vines are trained along low supports. In others they climb as slender saplings. The people of each region are also proud of the wine they make from their own grapes.

Most winemaking in Italy is done in modern wineries. But villagers, making wine for their own use, sometimes tread the grapes with their bare feet until the juice is squeezed out. They believe this ancient method still makes the best wine. 67.78.21.14 23:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

''' Really???, I live in the best known Italian wine producing region and there are a lot of villagers who produce small quantities of wine, even my grandfather produced wine in small quantities for himself but I never heard about squeezing it with feet like in ancient times!!!!

[edit] account

Hi people! I'm here again and this time I've created an account, so please come visit. loulou 21:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category confusion

Right now, there are several overlapping categories for Italian wine that (to me at least) are very confusing:

• Category:Italian wine
  • Category:Italian DOC
  • Category:Italian wines
  • Category:Wine regions of Italy
  • Category:Wineries of Italy

Some pages (e.g. Barolo) are in multiple categories, and others (e.g. Barbaresco) are not. This begs the question: should Category:Italian DOC be a sub-category of Category:Italian Wines? After all, some Italian Wines are not DOC(G), but all DOC(G) wines are Italian Wines. What do you think Fairsing 04:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Certainly Category:Italian DOC should be a child of Category:Italian wines. Indeed I’ll move it before doing anything else. (Have done.) I am not absolutely certain whether the wines should be singly or doubly categorised. But my personal preference would be double categorisation, so that Barolo and Barbera appear both in Category:Italian wines and Category:Italian DOCG wines. (The latter is a still-to-be created category, which would be a child of Category:Italian wines; at the same time a new Category:Italian IGT wines would be created, and Category:Italian DOC would be renamed to Category:Italian DOC wines.) I recognize that some people, with good reasons, oppose that sort of double categorisation on principle. But I think that having single lists in addition to the filtered ones is useful for readers: you shouldn’t have to know in advance whether Frascati is DOC, DOCG or IGT: just that it’s an Italian wine that begins with an ‘F’.

Just to complicate matters, slightly, I actually think that triple-categorisation would be appropriate. This morning, as it happens, I created the category Category:Wines of Puglia so that a wine article I had come across could be linked into the general Italian regional category system: in other words, people looking at the Puglia category, for whatever reason, should have the region’s wines exposed to them. The same would apply to the other 19 regions of Italy.

Category:Wineries of Italy seems fine as it stands. (It will probably always be rather a small category, although it has the potential to be ginormous—every cantina sociale, even every proprietor….)

Category:Wine regions of Italy is currently a disaster. Someone enthusiastically started to add in every comune, territory and island they came across where wine is made. And that was admirable, except that he or she clearly didn’t know that there are more than 8000 comuni in the country, and probably most of them make some wine! I think that the best solution here will probably be to divide that category into 20 or 21 (i.e. the standard administrative regions, possibly dividing Trentino-Südtirol into its two constituent parts) and then to further subdivide those regions into districts such as (in the case of Piedmont) Roero, Monferrato, le Langhe, etc.

Finally, for now, I think that it would probably be useful to also to have a subcat of Category:Grape varieties limited to those grown in Italy: both autochthenous and international varieties being included.

Thoughts, anyone? —Ian Spackman 15:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History section

I've created this today and think it could do with fleshing out a little. As Italy was so prominent in early wine production, it might be worth doing this in tandem with the History of wine page. The refs I've provided for this section have plenty of further info, if anyone wants to take up the baton. mikaul 01:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Discussion

Disagree I don't think that vino cotto should be merged with Italian wines, because it can not be completely thought of as a wine. It is more of a syrup and it isn't really even made from wine. It's made from unfermented grapes.

76.238.7.125 04:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Disagree vino cotto is not important enough for this article (but is OK as a separate article of minor importance) --Doopdoop (talk) 23:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Production stats

Just in passing, I came across the production stats by region for 2005/6 at http://www.istat.it/dati/dataset/20070321_00/ (right panel) - I figured they'd be useful for the regional articles as well as this one, if someone wants to do something with them. FlagSteward (talk) 10:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Misleading

This part is particularly meaningless and misleading:

"As far as generalizations can be made, Italian wines tend to be acidic, dry, light-to-medium bodied, and subdued in flavour and aroma. Because of these characteristics, Italian wines are, in general, a better accompaniment to food than they are beverages to be enjoyed on their own."

I believe it should be simply edited out and forgotten, as everyone who knows Italian wines (being Italian and a wine lover I do) also knows that we have such a varied production that generalizations are basically useless (as they would be if applied to other old major winemaking countries as France).--213.140.21.227 (talk) 19:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I fully agree. Have a go at improving/removing. MURGH ^disc. 19:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)