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Contents 1 Creation 2 Ottoman period 3 Possible Merger? 4 Layout 5 Things to be added 6 Pipeline 7 Sorting of material

[edit] Creation

Created page Baristarim 00:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Still being upgraded Baristarim 00:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

srael has even advocated that Turkey make up a majority of peace keepers in Lebanon because it has said that it does not trust troops from other Islamic countries like Bangladesh and Malaysia [12].

The source doesnot work, and I am still trying to look for this news on the net. I haven't found it yet. So i would request to delete this information, if no valid sources exist. thanks ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.109.24.246 (talk) 09:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Ottoman period

I removed the passage :many of these Jews later converted because there is no historical source for that , and given that they had not converted in countries that persecuted them ( Spain and Portugal) , it seems unlikely that they would in a tolerant country. Moreover , the Donmehs are mentionned totally irrelevantly : they are the descendants of some of Sabbatai Tsvi's disciples who followed him in his forced conversion to Islam , and therefore a particular case , not a large community originating in persecution , such as the conversos.

[edit] Possible Merger?

{{Multiplemergefrom|[[The History of Turkish-Jewish Relations]], [[The Political History of Turkish -Jewish Relations]], [[Turkey-Israel relations]]|date=February 2007}} Juda S. Engelmayer 19:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I propose that all three articles be merged under this one, the other two articles are forks of each other anyways, and their current content is just a small overview of Turkey-Israel relations in any case.. Baristarim 05:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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I strongly disagree and am very much against these two articles being merged because Turkey-Israeli relations is a distinct subject from Turkey-Jewish relations because Israel does not represent the collective Jewish population around the world even though it is the Jewish state. For example, Jewish organizations based in the United States may reflect quite a different diplomatic status than the State of Israel while still representing a group of Jewish people.

Therefore, this is why I believe these articles, which each have distinctely different subjects, should remain sepparate. Mrzubrow 02:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Just as we wouldn't want to merge the article on Israel with the article on Jews, there is equally little sense in merging the article on Turkey-Israel relations with Turkish-Jewish relations. Turkish-Jewish relations are often (not always) a domestic issue within Turkey and they are between two peoples. Whereas Turkey-Israel relations are always an international issue and they are between two states. I am strongly against merging the two. ---Vikiyazar 14:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Against merging. The states are distinct from its people. Turks (of the Ottoman Empire) and Jews long pre-date the creation of modern Turkey and Israel. The relations of both countries (especially the close relations between both militaries) are a fascinating subject that should stand on its own. I should also reiterate the points made above: that we shouldn't conflate Turks and Jews with Israel and Turkey, just as we wouldn't conflate Chinese-Malay relations (in the southeast asian region) with state relations between China and Malaysia. 220.255.113.116 00:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Layout

layout of the boxes on the right side of the page look silly when they are next to eachother. This is because the Israel box is much longer, so there is whitespace from the end of the Turkey box down to the end of the Israel box. Can somebody fix this? Rekk 21:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Things to be added

• Turkey's stance on Iran's nuclear program. [1]
• Turkish threats of cooling ties with Israel if the United States recognizes the killings of Armenians as genocide. [2][3][4]
• Turks in Israel. 61,221 Turkish Jews are said to have emigrated to Israel since 1948. This figure does not include second-generation or other Israelis of Turkish descent.[5] As to non-Jewish Turks in Israel, they are mostly young men who come for economic opportunity (especially working in construction), although a small number are students. [6][7][8] --Shamir1 18:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pipeline

The article says that Turley plans to build a massive pipeline from Turkey to Israel. How is it possible for Turkey to build a pipeline to Israel without crossing Syria? And if the intended route is indded through Syria, then that is very significant, considering that Israeli-Syrian relations aren't very warm.Vice regent 17:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorting of material

There are two main things to be sorted on this page, both of which I have hidden near the bottom of the wiki mark-up until they can be sorted out. The first is a large, apparently quite useful and informative timeline, which someone has added with no attempt to wikify it, as far as I can see. Sorting through this timeline (a task I recommend someone very familiar and interested in the topic does) would improve the article no end. As well as that there is some text at the bottom about military relations between Turkey and Israel which I removed from the Turkish-Jewish relations article, where it was inappropriately placed. I don't know how good this material is, but it should be looked at at some point and merged into the proper article. Jdcooper (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)