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[edit] 1934 and 1938

Since the Palestine national team of 1934 and 1938 represented Palestine/Eretz Israel, and NOT the entity the current Palestine national team represents, its info should be on this page, NOT at Palestine national football team. Just because the name is the same, doesn't mean its the same entity; neither FIFA nor Israel Football Association (founded and affliated to FIFA in 1928) think so as well. User:Dryazan

"Palestine/Eretz Israel" is not the same entity as "Israel" either. Why shouldn't it get its own article? - Mustafaa 09:40, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Because Israel Football Association was created in 1928, therefore overlapping the 1934 and 1938 teams. I don't think a need for a separate page is necessary, as it is clearly explained on this one. --Dryazan 03:47, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

can someone please put in details explaining Israel being admitted to UEFA, I think it is of great interest.

On FIFA offcial homepage www.FIFA.com you can see at Palestine/Eretz israel world cup match sees as Palestine matcher not Isreal matcher.Wolfmann 07:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Palestine Football Association was also created in 1928.Wolfmann 07:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Please do not change such things without discussing them. The Palestine/Eretz Israel achievements must be attributed to the Israeli national team. First of all, the Palestine/Eretz Israel FA is now the Israeli FA. Secondly, all the teams which played for the Palestine/Eretz Israel FA league joined the Israeli league. Thirdly, most if not all players for the Palestine/Eretz Israel national team joined the Israeli national team. Also Palestine is a new entity which did not exist after 1948. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 16:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Although the Palestinian Football Association, founded in 1928, is rightly considered one of the oldest football associations in Asia - along with Israel who were also founded in that year, the country's national team only became affiliated to FIFA in June 1998, at the governing body's 51st Congress in Paris.Wolfmann 16:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The football association of Palestine that was founded in 1928 is a direct ancestor of the Israeli football association, and NOT the current football association of Palestine.--Nitsansh 18:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


Yes 1934 and 1938 world cup match are sees as palestine matcher. [[1]] dis is from AFC homepage.

[[2]] dis is from FIFA homepage .Although the Palestinian Football Association, founded in 1928, is rightly considered one of the oldest football associations in Asia - along with Israel who were also founded in that year, the country's national team only became affiliated to FIFA in June 1998, at the governing body's 51st Congress in Paris.Wolfmann 19:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Also on Palestinian Football Association homepage is say 1928. [[3]]

Intressting to hear you side of the story but i want to now wear you got the fact? I got my fact from FIFA and AFC.Wolfmann 20:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Palestine in the 1930s is not the same entity as the Palestinian Authority in the 1990s and 2000s. The football association of Palestine was founded in 1928 in the Brittish mandate of Palestine, which included the territories of nowadays Israel (except the Golan Heights) and the Palestine Authority. Under this name Palestine played 5 international matches between 1934 and 1940. The football association also organized league and cup competitions, in which most of the teams are those that continued to play in the Israeli league and cup after 1948. The football association of Israel is therefor a direct descendant of that Palestine football association, as the state of Israel was founded in 1948 in most of the territory of the Brittish mandate of Palestine. Palestine ceased to exist as a territorial entity from 1948 to the 1990s, when the Palestine Authority was created in areas occopied by Israel in 1967 and previousely held by Jordan (the West Bank) and Egypt (Gazza Strip). Although the "new" Palestine football association claims to be found in 1962, it wasn't recognized by FIFA until the late 1990s and didn't play any international matches.

At least, Israel football association has equal right to be a descendant of the "old" Palestine football association as the "new" Palestine FA. --Nitsansh 00:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I yes agreed whit you Isreal and Palestene have equal right "old" Palestine football association.Wolfmann 03:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why in 3 Continents?

why did israel play in 3 continents? how could they host asian cup? were the arab teams playing there?

Israel played in Asia (its real location) till we got kicked out by the Arab countries who did not like to play against Israel. Obviously we can't play in Oceania, America or Africa so in 1992 we finally got accepted to UEFA.
Is there any evidence to back up that the Israel national team participated in qualifying matches in South America or Oceania? If not, I'd suggest deleting this from the first para. Crix 17:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Isreal played in OFC qualifying a number of times, including 1970, 1974, 1978, 1986, and 1990. In 1990, they played a 2-game CONMEBOL/OFC play-off home and away with Columbia. --Brian G 17:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, playing in Colombia does not mean that they are suddenly part of CONMEBOL. As for OFC, I also found 1990 FIFA World Cup (qualification OFC), where it says that Taiwan and Israel were "assigned to the Oceanian zone despite not being OFC members". At least the way the article is worded makes it very confusing "... before settling in Europe as a member of UEFA". Even as member of UEFA you can end up having to play against an AFC team or etc, depending on the circumstances. I would strongly rewording the article, but only after someone more knowledgeable assures us that Israel was never a member of OFC or CONMEBOL. I do think that they were only part of the AFC and then later part of the UEFA (since 1994). As for Africa, according to 1934 FIFA World Cup (qualification), Egypt, Palestine and Turkey (which withdrew later) were the only members of group 12 Africa/Asia, and neither the AFC (1954) nor the CAF (1957) were in existence yet. Very complicated indeed, since qualifications for the world cups were done differently in different times. While nowadays a national association *has* to be a member of a continental federation, this was not the case earlier. But still playing in Africa might be valid, as might be Oceania (albeit for policial reasons), and Asia (as a member of AFC) and Europe (as a member of UEFA). South America is clearly not on the same footing, since it was merely a playoff match. I'm not sure now how to best reword this... Crix 18:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I don't think that anyone implied that they were ever a member of CONMEBOL, but that year OFC (0.5) and CONMEBOL (3.5) shared a qualifying spot and they did play a match on the South American continent as a result. It was not "merely" a playoff, the winner (Columbia) won its spot that way. I think that the article is OK as written in this area, since it says that they participated in 4 different continents, not in 4 different confederations. --Brian G 18:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Point well taken. However I still maintain that the wording and punctuation is confusing, if I have time, I will think about rewording this. Also, shouldn't it be five continents instead of four? Furthermore, I am aware of the importance of playoff matches for the world cup qualification, but I still find it specious to count South America just because of one playoff match. Crix 03:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't object to removing some confusion. I think that maybe the problem stems from it being the lead sentence in the article. Perhaps if it were moved down in the article (like to the History section) and explaned more there? --Brian G 12:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dror Kashtan wasn't appointed as national coach yet

It's a bit premature to name him as coach from 2006 when it's still 2005... Avraham Grant is still officially the coach, he didn't resign with immediate effect but announced he will not seek an extension of his contract that is due to expire in June 2006.

Another minor correction... the draw which eliminated Israel from the Olympic Games in 1968 wasn't done by a coin toss. It was done by pulling notes out of a hat. --Nitsansh 05:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname - the Holy IX???

Never heard about that...--Nitsansh 01:31, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Neither have I. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 17:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be Holy XI? Dancarney 18:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
It should be nothing, we have no nickname ⌠Yellow up⌡ 22:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Still, if it existed it would have to be Holy XI. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.52.154.205 (talk) 18:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Caps

Can someone please research and correct the list of Top Capped Players vs. what shows in the infobox? I can't find a proper source in English. Perhaps someone who is fluent could get it from a website in Hebrew? --Brian G 20:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I know for a fact they top capped players are Benado and Harazi. According to he: they have 89 caps. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 22:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Excellent. Thanks for the update. --Brian G 00:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

84.94.53.71 11:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC) regarding the category: Most appearances on aggregate by a set of brothers Ronen and Alon Harazi, 142, 1992 - present [1]

This fact is incorrect - Alon and Ronen are not brothers

[edit] Current Squad

Here is the source of March squad. [4] Matthew_hk tc 11:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dresses

I wonder whether the unicolour dresses are correct, because the German page on the topic has white shorts with blue shirts and blue shorts with white shirts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.52.154.205 (talk) 19:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC). Actually, I'm sure they're wrong now. French and HEBREW page have blue-white or white-blue dresses but no unicolour.

Israel just got new jerseys for the 08/09 season with which they will be playing currently. This time, the home jersey is white while the away jersey is blue. Both jerseys can be seen at Puma's official website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.244.143 (talk) 02:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsistency.

I found a minor inconsistency in the Euro 2008 Qualification section.

In the match against Estonia, the result was given as 0-1, with the home team first. But in the matches against FYR Macedonia and Andorra, the results are given as 2-1 and 2-0, although Israel was the away team.

I decided to be bold, and changed the Estonia result so that all results are given with Israel first. If the other policy is preferred - home team first - please feel free to change results accordingly. The Legend of Julie Egbert 23:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not much on why and how UEFA let Israel join their ranks

Not an important event? Reaper7 18:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I have expanded the paragraph a bit and tried to clarify why IFA joined UEFA. BestEditorEver 20:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
well done, more complete article now Reaper7 13:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! BestEditorEver 10:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

still unclear... and why the expulsion from the asian conf.? and why did they play with the SOUTH AMERICAN conf???

you need to write Gai Assulin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.29.187 (talk) 18:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)