Talk:Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine

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Hello, I know next to nothing about "Palestinian Islamic Jihad", but I do know that the word "terrorist" is almost *never* NPOV. It was claimed that the group refers to itself as a terrorist group. Can this claim be substantiated? Silver Maple

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[edit] Terrorist/Militant

As Wikipedia lists this organization as a terrorist organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_organizations) and it is being considered a priority for the Terrorism WikiProject wouldn't it make sense to consider it a terrorist organization to help eliminate within Wikipedia? I will change it to terrorist instead of militant but note that the label of terrorist group is disputed.

[edit] Shkaki/Shaqaqi

"...Palestinian Islamic Jihad was formed in the Gaza Strip during the 1970s by Fathi Shaqaqi as a branch of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad.

Shkaki led the organization for two decades. He was killed in..." I guess that Shkaki and Shaqaqi is the same person. If he is, his name should be spelled the same in this document.

Fixed this.--Yunis 12:00, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Last sentence

I deleted the last sentence, which read

"Critics of Islamic Jihad say that Palestinians in this group have gotten so caught up in their narcissistic rage that they have lost the core value of humanity: the value of human life."

It sounds too much like an author's personal opinion being inserted under the "some people say" cloak. The facts about Palestinian Islamic Jihad are bad enough; let them stand on their own without pop-psych-speak about "narcissistic rage."

[edit] Hamas split from it?

I don't think either split from the other. Certainly Hamas did not split from IJP, and if IJP was founded in the 70s as stated here then it can't have split from Hamas, which was founded in 1987. Palmiro | Talk 16:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

their logo is quite reminiscent of goatse, is there some category or page for this?

I tend to doubt it.

Although, it is a humorous observation, which I hadn't thought of until now.

BTW, Hamas and PIJ-while being distinct organizations-both trace their roots to the Muslim Brotherhood, which was the first modern pan-Islamic terror organization.

Founded by Hassan al-Banna, who's grandson, IIRC, is Tariq Ramadan, a French Islamist.

71.125.245.60 18:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dead link

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[edit] Shia?

I would like a single credible source for the assertion that PIJ is a Shia organisation, which occurs in the opening par and then later on in explaining its links to Hezbollah. To my knowledge it is nothing of the kind, Shia Islam being virtually unknown in historical Palestine.

My name is Maher and I am a journalist who has worked for a decade in Britain, the Middle East and Australia. I am also a Palestinian myself. In all my life I have never seen anyone suggest that PIJ is a Shia organisation.

http://www.usip.org/pubs/specialreports/sr89.html

"While Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas have important ties to Iran, both remain within the Sunni Islamic tradition, argued Muslih."

Indeed, even the linked info on the ICT's website contains this:

The admiration of the three Palestinian militants for the Islamic revolution in Iran was at that time unique of its kind in the Arab world and among the Islamic Sunni movements. Not only did they consider the Iranian revolution as a model for the Arab world, but they accepted the principle of "the leadership of the men of religion" (vilayet-i-faqih) although it was a Shi'ite concept. Shqaqi was also the first in the Arab Sunni world to write, already in March 1979, a book glorifying Khomeini and the Iranian revolution, which was banned by the Egyptian authorities.


And the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and Muslim Brotherhood, from which PIJ traces its origins, are certainly Sunni. Whoever wrote this part of the article needs to explain how they came to such an erroneous conclusion.

(Pending the provision of a source, I have removed the references to PIJ as Shia)

[edit] Shqaqi/Shaqaqi/Shkaki etc

Also, while it may be true that Shaqaqi is more 'correct' in terms of Arabic transliteration norms, I think it would be better to use the spelling Fathi Shikaki, as this is the spelling that his brother, the pollster and analyst Khalil Shikaki, uses in English.

[edit] Full name

One last thing from me (Maher) for the moment: in the opening line of the article we give the organisation's full title in Arabic as Harakat al-Jihād al-Islāmi al-Filastīni, when in the graphic of their emblem it is clearly legible as Harakat al-Jihād al-Islāmi fī Falastīn, or "the movement of Islamic Jihad in Palestine".

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Islamicjihadjeep.JPG

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No Source - as the attack was under way

I am removing However, photos taken by the Associated Press as the attack was under way show the letters “TV” written in red on the front of the jeep. as it has not got any linked sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.162.102 (talk) 18:56, 4 February 2008 (UTC)