Talk:Iranian Air Force in Iran-Iraq war

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1 Cleanup
2 Factual Accuracy
3 Eh
4 Bias
5 F-14 picture

[edit] Cleanup

OK, I've done a bit of an overhaul of this page. Could the original author add a citation for his/her source please? ComaDivine 07:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

This article is seriously biased. It just repeats that even though Iranian air force coped better than the Iraqi counter-part, it would have been far better without the mullahs who tormented Iranian pilots. And all this without sources. In this form, the article dosn't give anything which wouldn't be in main article and is thus useless. Latre 20:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual Accuracy

The factual accuracy of this article is very questionable, and is in need of serious revision by an expert on the topic. Technajunky 18:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eh

The entire article looks as though it was written in one sitting in a non-encyclopedic tone - I suspect its a verbatim copy of the source 'cited' at the beginning, although I obviously can't be sure since no link is provided. Joffeloff 17:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias

Very biased article in my opinion. Absolutely no references cited, and it all seems like a story that an older relative passed down. Articles like these are what is wrong with Wikipedia and why I always advise my students against using this site as a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Umar99 (talk • contribs) 22:57, 26 May 2007

I added the NPOV tag. And I meant to say in the edit summary that this article has claims and speculation based on bias presented as facts. YMB29 (talk) 16:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The article is not baised at all, you obviously very anti-Iranian and so you see what you want to see, thinking the article is somehow pro-Iranian. You can easily see there are a lot things in the article that are about what the Iranians did wrong and how the regime treated pilots so badly, ect. The Honorable Kermanshahi (talk) 10:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Not biased?? Well let's see:

-Since the Iranian pilots had adhered to NATO requirements for flying time (training time in the aircraft), whereas at the outbreak of war Iraqi pilots had “limited hours of flying time”, it would have been surprising if the Iranian Air Force had not proved dramatically superior.

-In 1980 alone, 70 Iraqi planes were defeated in air -to-air combat

-During the course of the war, more than 100 Iraqi fighters would be brought down in air-to-air combat.

-Iranian pilots had mostly been trained in the U.S., and it could be concluded that the American weapon system was superior.

-The American military may have been more impressed with the Iranian victory over the Iraqi Air Force than the Israel aerial victory over Syria during the same period

-but in the case of Iran, these disappointments rest squarely on the shoulders of the revolutionary regime and its draconian policies against the Air Force.

Do I need to go on? This is not an encyclopedic article, but more of a story about the "great" Iranian Air Force. It is completely written from the point of view of the IRIAF and much of it is based on the information in T. Cooper's books and his acig website, which are themselves biased and give the view from the Iranian pilots. Wikipedia is not a place for fantasies about national heroes. YMB29 (talk) 02:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

"The outbreak of the Iran-Iraq war was most likely looked upon as a good testing ground for new Soviet equipment." -- sorry, but this is opinion. Different writers have all had different opinions on this topic; it is impossible to say exactly how the US or Soviet government viewed the conflict. It is possible they had no desire to see oil supplies threatened by war. -- gamma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.92.149 (talk) 23:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Considering Iran was a US-ally just before, Iranian pilots where trained by or trained in the US, also the fact that they downed over 70 Iraqi planes is just a fact, it's got nothing to do with how great the air force was. And yes, at the beginning of the Iran-Iraq War Iran did beat the Iraqi airfoce, if you'd known a little more about the subject you would nkow these things where true, but would also known that this was later lost as Iran was unable to maintain their fighters.The Honorable Kermanshahi (talk) 08:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

So what if the Iranians were trained by the US? That makes them much better? Where is the proof that they downed over 70 Iraqi planes or that they were beating the Iraqis in the beginning of the war?

You looking over acig's website makes you an expert on the subject? Again, all this information is based on one or two acig books that are full of unverified claims. YMB29 (talk) 14:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] F-14 picture

The F-14 that's currently the article's main picture is pretty visibly a U.S. operated one....I'd suggest replacing it with one with Iranian markings or some other plane that they fly Masterblooregard (talk) 02:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)