Talk:International Order of the Rainbow for Girls

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[edit] Proposing a merger

Do we really need seperate articles on Rainbow, DeMolay, Job's Daughters, and Triangle? Why not merge them into one article on "Masonic Youth Organizations"? Blueboar 19:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the articles themselves (save Triangle) are pretty long, and the groups are very distinct from one another, each with their own history. Everybody seems to know what Rainbow and DeMolay are, so I think those aren't a good idea to merge. As for the others, I think Triangle needs to go: no offense to the New Yorkers, but it's too local - 13 chapters in only one state is really pushing notability. I've prodded/AfDed other articles that were bigger than that (Sciots, Widows Sons MC, etc), because there's no way to write something that local without it coming across as advertising material, never mind a lack of third party sources. MSJapan 19:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
But... it's NEW YORK... of course it's notable... isn't everything about New York notable? You know, "If I can make it there, I can make it anywhere ..." and all that.
OK... seriously, I do see how Triangle might be non-notable (see my comment there). As for the Merge idea, that is all it is. I suppose I am a bit of a "consolidationist" at the moment... seeing a need for consolidations throughout Wikipedia. I just saw another situation here where logically connected articles might be put together into one larger article. No biggie if people disagree. Blueboar 19:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Promoted to Start Class

I am going to promote this to Start Class. It definitely isn't just a stub anymore. To move it further the first thing needed are more citations and references. Blueboar 23:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Done.--SarekOfVulcan 19:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Connection to Freemasonry not clear

There is a infobox and a category - but particularly the intro is lacking any reference to freemasonry at all (it says IORG is a Service club, like Lions Club). Freemasonry is mentioned a few times in the article, but there is no context establishing why it is important to note things such as "Being related to a Master Mason is not a requirement in order to join Rainbow."—Preceding unsigned comment added by ZayZayEM (talk • contribs)

Is this not clear enough? "The order was created in 1922 when the Reverend W. Mark Sexson was asked to make an address before South McAlester Chapter #149, Order of the Eastern Star, in McAlester, Oklahoma. As the Order of DeMolay had come under his close study and observation during his Masonic activities, he decided that another Order for girls, setting forth some of the principles of Freemasonry, would be necessary."--SarekOfVulcan 10:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that. It's a bit vague and confusing. It still doesn't explain why Masonic connections aren't mentioned in the introduction.--ZayZayEM 13:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
  • shrug* Alright. I added "Masonic" to the lead, but I don't see that that makes anything much clearer.