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Another excellent source of Il-76 waterbomber information,
especially if you prefer Podcasts, is the 2005 Disaster News Network
interview with Rose Davis, of the US Forest Service, and Tom Robinson,
of Global Emergency Response.

This is one of the resources in the original 'controversy' section
of Wikipedia's Il-76 section now edited out.
[Original links from the now-edited Wikipedia site are found here:
<http://www.search.com/reference/Ilyushin_Il-76 This will include
a speech to the US House of Representatives demanding an accounting
from the US Forest Service for failure to deal squarely with the IL-76 waterbomber.]

Here's the DNN Susan Kim interview from 2005:

http://www.dnnradio.com/dnn/archive/19/

Newly found video of the IL-76 waterbomber here:
http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Ilyushin_Il-76-Airline_Russian_Emergency_Minisitry_Aviation_Video-2571.html
NB: Repeats text of 'controversy' section of IL-76 somehow taken away.

YouTube: just video - no text: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db7QPk7GFJM

As well, YouTube is now carrying NBC Nightly News' account of the turnaround in
US Forest Service thinking on v-large firefighting aircraft (as well as deployment
holdups) here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exXFv2uIIo0

Cheers;
John Anderson
Global Emergency Response
Calgary

206.75.13.242 02:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] US Goverment Operators

Is this a factual statement - I don't believe so, but if anybody has evidence, that would be welcome... Jkstark 05:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe they refer to the US registered IL-78 tanker, N78GF, that is on a tarmac in Texas. It is supposed to be in the US doing Air to Air refueling training under a US Government contract. I wonder si the fact that a US company owns an IL-78 and that it is US registered, if the USA should not be added to the IL-76 operators map and countries? Hudicourt 14:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IL-76 Operators

Someone added Canada's Skylink as a IL-76 operator. Skylink does not own or lease IL-76s. Its pilots do not fly IL-76s. Skylink serves as a Canadian agent for other IL-76 operators. Il do not think that Skylink should be listed here. If it is, the map should be edited to add Canada to the countries that operate the IL-76.Hudicourt 14:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The map of users of the IL-76 is incomplete as it excludes New Zealand where Pacific Express operated at least 1 X IL-76 for international freight delivery (especially to 3rd world countries) for many years.

[edit] KJ-200 or KJ-2000

The Article on the Shaanxi Y-8 claims that the accident on June 3 2006 in China was a KJ-200 AWACS, based on the Y-8 airframe. The IL-76 article claims the same accident was a IL-76 based KJ-2000. It cannot be both.Hudicourt 16:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

My research indicates in was the Y-8 based KJ-200 that crashed [1] Hudicourt 18:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


I removed this section:

  • On June 3 2006, A Chinese AWACS KJ-2000, based on the Il-76 or KJ-200 based on Y-8 crashed in Anhui; about 40 personnel were lost, most of them radio experts. There is a controversy about the actual type of aircraft involved.

Although early reports speculated that it was a KJ-2000 that had crashed, mostly due to the large number of on-board fatalities, all news articles and websites published in 2007 agree that the crash involved a KJ-200 aircraft Hudicourt (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RIA Novosti Letters to the Editor

On the Il-76 waterbomber controversy: http://en.rian.ru/letters/20070322/62443079.html


Interesting blurb from 2005 on Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's take on the IL-76 waterbomber: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3901/is_200507/ai_n14684507


Bulgaria: http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11795239 For this winning effort, Russian crews received special awards from Bulgaria.

Further, for the record, the IL-76 waterbomber was used in Montenegro and Serbia this summer. The airplane was the subject of a further offer to Greece by President Putin just before Greek wildfires subsided. This offer was reported to have been solicited by Greek Prime Minister Karamanlis.

The EU's Stavros Dimas, among others, has advocated for a more comprehensive approach to EU disaster response; something Russian Emergencies Minister Sergei Shoigu has been advocating for years. Minister Shoigu touts his nation's aerial firefighting strengths here: http://mnweekly.ru/business/20070802/55265228.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vigorous (talk • contribs) 12:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

In Serbia, outcomes of July's successful free service IL-76 waterbombing have begun to surface: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=08&dd=30&nav_id=43392&fs=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.75.13.242 (talk) 15:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

In Paraguay, the IL-76 waterbomber will soon be trying to stop the unstoppable, compliments, President Hugo Chavez, of Venezuela. http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B7DCBA28C-2954-43A9-8CDB-54AC74FA9D1B%7D)&language=EN —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vigorous (talk • contribs) 04:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC) Reuters doesn't name the plane: http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/44346/story.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vigorous (talk • contribs) 04:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


LA Times reports the IL-76 will not be going to Paraguay: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-paraguay15sep15,1,7503627.story?track=rss —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.75.13.242 (talk) 14:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Author's appeal for help bringing the IL-76 waterbomber to fire-ravaged Southern California

Alan Dean Foster (again) supports the IL-76 waterbomber by asking fire victims directly to go after the authorities for answers on the IL-76 waterbomber. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/letters/la-le-tuesday23oct23,0,1311069.story?coll=la-news-comment-letters

Author Foster last made such an appeal to an Arizona readership: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0625sunlets251.html

[edit] Unsupported Claims and weak references

The IL-76 article makes several unsupported claims. Specifically

" The IL-76is the most widely used large cargo plane in the world."

Widely might include the C-130. MOST is probably the 747.

    • Note wording 'most widely used large CARGO plane'. How many cargo version 747s are operated world-wide? The C130 is a very different size category to the IL-76 (and most are in military use rather than freight/cargo). Perhaps it would be better to say 'most widely-used large cargo jet' or 'most widely used jet for outsized cargo' Either would be correct for the size category of the IL-76.

"The Il-76 was responsible for carrying some 90 percent of ramp-delivered airfreight from all of Europe, and at least 90 percent of all disaster relief aid worldwide." (intel from Ilyushin or where?)

    • See Gordon, Y, 2004. OKB Ilyushin: a history of the design bureau and its aircraft. Leiscester: Midland. ISBN 1857801873 for IL-76 facts and figures.

List of Incidents and Accidents cites 5 accidents total. IL-76 family has suffered at least 19 major accidents or crashes.

      • This was a commonly used bit of data to prevent the Russians from introducing the IL-76 waterbomber in the west. (At time of posting it is sorely needed.) If you examine the causes of the crashes, you will see they had nothing to do with aircraft design and everything to do with the people who interacted with them, including people who wanted to shoot them down for one reason or another and e.g. people who shorted them on fuel or overloaded them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.75.13.242 (talk) 13:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The Reference list cites too many weak references not enough authoritative ones.

Page needs to be marked extensively with CITATION NEEDED.

IL-76 Wikipedia Page seems to be a bit of a Promotion Ad rather than encyclopedia reference Bwebb00 23:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

"The IL-76is the most widely used large cargo plane in the world."

It's false so I took it out.

      • I don't think it is false so could be reinserted with rephrased wording. See statement above.
        • According the the World Airliner Census published in the Oct 3-9 2006 Issue of Flight International, there were 362 B-747s counting all-cargo and combi aircraft, there were 188 A-300 cargo aircraft, 157 MD-11 cargo aircraft, 134 Cargo DC-10s, 72 A-310 cargo aircraft and 66 Cargo 767s, all of which qualify as "large aircraft". That same document lists 255 civilian IL-76s, so the only way for that statement to be true, is if the Military IL-76s are counted. Hudicourt 21:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


"The Il-76 was responsible for carrying some 90 percent of ramp-delivered airfreight from all of Europe, and at least 90 percent of all disaster relief aid worldwide."

It may be true but needs to be sourced. There are only so many ramped types of aircraft in the World and the others are smaller aircraft or exist in small numbers

Otherwise, I don't see where the article goes wrong. Hudicourt 02:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IL-82 (IL-76VKP)

What is this aircraft's role, anyone know? Chwyatt (talk) 11:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[1]

It's said to be an airborne command post Hudicourt (talk) 14:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, thought it might be. Chwyatt (talk) 13:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Iraqi versions

Added a very short entry to the main article, describing yet another version. Statement about current service is negated by the recent pictures of the iranian machine. But the question is... are there photos or drawings of the very first version... probably having a bulge on the rear cargo door —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.73.173.88 (talk) 10:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] 2008 Myanmar and China relief operations

Since the western media is quite light on reports of Il-76 relief flights the story is obviously of little interest there so no liinks will be provided by this writer. Of course, the IL-76 was predominant during the tsumani relief operation, flying out of India and Russia in support. IL-76s also provided lift operations to Katrina victims. There is no verification that relief provided by those flights ever reached victims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vigorous (talk • contribs) 15:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)