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That's fine, John. I didn't think the conferences belonged under an IHSA entry since they have no official connection to the IHSA -- the IHSA does not organize or approve them. Thanks for getting the entry going. I was surprised to find it the other night. -- Scott

True, but it's a nice easy way to help sub-organize the state's high schools which ARE members of the IHSA. --JohnDBuell 04:16, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

That list page becomes an "orphan" if this page doesn't link to it. Most of the individual conference pages only link to the IHSA page, and none of them link to the 'list of conferences' page. I KNOW there's no official status, but as I said before, it makes it very easy to find the individual conferences in the state. --JohnDBuell 15:22, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, John, I was working from an old copy. I wasn't trying to delete the link. It's a tricky point, really. The IHSA does "recognize" conferences, I suppose, in that there is communication and information passed back and forth. But no one has to fill out IHSA paperwork or get IHSA approval to create a conference, as it is in some states. -- Scott

You might want to fix my wording at the "See also" link - oh and are you going to include anything on how our playoffs are structured? Regionals, sectionals, and super-sectionals in some sports before teams play "at state"? --JohnDBuell 03:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

• A note on the IHSA and conferences: The IHSA does use conference affiliation as a criterion for permitting teams into the State Football Series. Football teams qualify for the series first by winning their conference. After that, at-large bids are awarded based on win-loss record. This is the only real connection that I know of between the IHSA and conferences. LonelyBeacon 20:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Info box 2 March Madness 3 New Look 4 Media Usage Restrictions 5 Added a bit 6 Suggestions

[edit] Info box

I like the new info box (I hope it goes on all the state association pages), but the size of the logo is a little overwhelming. Would it be possible to scale it back by about half? Xuehxolotl 19:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. --JohnDBuell 20:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] March Madness

The following information appears at http://www.marchmadness.org/history.htm:

The IHSA tournaments continued to grow and develop. In 1963, the tournament moved to the huge new Assembly Hall on the campus of the University of Illinois and fans witnessed the most famous finish in history, when Chicago Carver beat Centralia on a last-second shot by a substitute named Anthony Smedley. "March Madness" grew as well. Beginning in 1973, the IHSA began using the term officially in its programs and on its merchandise. In 1977, the organization enlisted veteran Chicago sportswriter and Big Ten basketball referee Jim Enright to write the official history of the boys basketball tournament. The result was March Madness: The Story of High School Basketball in Illinois. As media technology advanced, the IHSA and KOST Broadcast Sales of Chicago produced March Madness: The Official Video History of the IHSA Basketball Tournament in 1989. Both the book and video were sold nationwide. During this period, the Illinois High School Association received trademark status for the term "March Madness" and registered the trademark "America's Original March Madness." The spirit of March Madness has subsequently spread from coast to coast, as other companies and organizations, including state high school associations and manufacturers, have been licensed by the IHSA to use these trademarks.

The text above implies that IHSA received trademark status for "March Madness" in 1989, though "this period" is open to interpretation. Is the second trademark worthy of inclusion in the article?

PlaysInPeoria 02:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I can add some further trademark information at this point. Xuehxolotl 04:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Look

I changed the "Recent Times" section around a little to make it read a little better.

[edit] Media Usage Restrictions

This new section is not written in an NPOV style. It contains a lot of speculation ("one has to wonder if this will be the next "March Madness" catastrophe for the IHSA. As no doubt larger daily papers in the state will most likely challenge…") Whether something "might" happen is not a story. I also don't see what the link to the article about the Lousiana state association has to do with this entry.

Controversies or "current issues" are fine, but this section needs major cleanup if it is to stay. 63.26.107.170 12:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I will remove it until it is rewritten. Xuehxolotl 19:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added a bit

I added a small section (and citations) on the IHSA constitution and policies. I also added a table showing the sports, year first contested, and school with the most team championships. I decided not to do anything with classes because that would have made things far more complicated. LonelyBeacon 20:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions

I'm just copying this over .....

The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question. Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.[?]

I checked WP:LEAD. Two pragraphs is fine. I tried my best to better summarize the article to come, though that might certainly be open to interpretation. LonelyBeacon (talk) 16:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 440 yard, use 440 yard, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 440 yard.[?]

I think I took care of this. LonelyBeacon (talk) 16:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia: Context and Wikipedia:Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, if January 15, 2006 appeared in the article, link it as January 15, 2006.[?]

I think I took care of what this suggests ... LonelyBeacon (talk) 16:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Please reorder/rename the last few sections to follow guidelines at Wikipedia:Guide to layout.[?]

Definitely done! LonelyBeacon (talk) 03:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

• Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's redundancy exercises.)
• Vague terms of size often are unnecessary and redundant - “some”, “a variety/number/majority of”, “several”, “a few”, “many”, “any”, and “all”. For example, “All pigs are pink, so we thought of a number of ways to turn them green.”
• As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between. For example, the sun is larger than the moon [2]. is usually written as the sun is larger than the moon.[2][?]

I think this was all set. I checked all of the footnotes, and those at the end of a sentence were all post-punctuation. LonelyBeacon (talk) 16:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]
• You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, APR t 03:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)LonelyBeacon (talk) 05:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)