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[edit] Antibacterial agents and antibiotics (their difference)
regarding the antibacterial issue -- i don't know but is germ resistance really an issue here like it is with antibiotics? I thought antibacterial agents differ from antibiotics in that they are used externally and are physically destructive to microogranisms so they can not evolve a resitance to them... whereas antibiotics, being used internally, are more mild and target specific features unique to bacteria. Triptych
I think it is. The interesting finding that children from excessively clean homes were more susceptible to asthma - the source of which I haven't yet traced - The British Medical Journal of 24 October 1998 - indicates that it is not just antibiotic resistance that is an issue here. Stan 21:37, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I am not an expert but i have read various papers, websites, and books. I noticed that less people in rural areas have asthma, maybe it is the dirt? yes there is a lot of germs etc. in there but there must be something bad about sterilizing everything. 201.226.132.65 01:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)Karl
The hygiene article needs a bit of beefing up as it is a very wide subject and I don't think adequately covered here. Stan 21:37, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm also interested in children's seemingly natural aversion to allowing their mouths to come into contact with articles that have been in contact with other people's mouths. Is this universal, i.e. non-learnt, and therefore can be considered instinctive, or it is something learnt? From my own experience it seems such a ubiquitous phenomenon that I wonder whether it isn't instinctive, borne of an evolutionary advantage to children who do not allow themselves to risk infection from others. Stan 19:56, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Dust bad for Asthma
A couple of things: as a sufferer of asthma, I have always found the frequency of attacks to be related to the amount of dust or plant material in the air. As far as I was aware the condition itself is not directly affected by ambient bacteria, but of course if those bacteria lead to respiratory infection it's a different story. Is there more info somewhere?
More importantly, the "Cultural/commercial aspects" section (and attendant heading) strike me as POV. Before I flex my "be bold" fingertips here, I'd like to know what other people think? Am I just reading too much into it? It seems like a thinly-veiled prop for the "back to nature" group. The problem is compounded by the brevity of the current article. Comments? Jeeves 05:59, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Ventilation
What are the good hygiene practices regarding ventilation, especially airing of bedroom and beddings after sleeping? This is an often neglected aspect of hygiene, especially during cold weather when there are resistance to open the window. Wonder how important this is. -- Vsion 4 July 2005 11:23 (UTC)
- I honestly don't think it's very important. Getting some exercise etc instead would probably be far better for health, this is really more an aesthetic sort of thing Richard001 04:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] removed 'die another day'
I removed 'die another day' from the end of page, since it seems totally unnecessary. Guess, the last editor was a big Bond fan :)
[edit] Personal hygiene
Is it really necessary to wash daily, especially the hair? Most of the items on that list seem pretty unsubstantiated.
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regarding the antibacterial issue -- i don't know but is germ resistance really an issue here like it is with antibiotics? I thought antibacterial agents differ from antibiotics in that they are used externally and are physically destructive to microogranisms so they can not evolve a resitance to them... whereas antibiotics, being used internally, are more mild and target specific features unique to bacteria. Triptych
I think it is. The interesting finding that children from excessively clean homes were more susceptible to asthma - the source of which I haven't yet traced - The British Medical Journal of 24 October 1998 - indicates that it is not just antibiotic resistance that is an issue here. Stan 21:37, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The hygiene article needs a bit of beefing up as it is a very wide subject and I don't think adequately covered here. Stan 21:37, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm also interested in children's seemingly natural aversion to allowing their mouths to come into contact with articles that have been in contact with other people's mouths. Is this universal, i.e. non-learnt, and therefore can be considered instinctive, or it is something learnt? From my own experience it seems such a ubiquitous phenomenon that I wonder whether it isn't instinctive, borne of an evolutionary advantage to children who do not allow themselves to risk infection from others. Stan 19:56, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
A couple of things: as a sufferer of asthma, I have always found the frequency of attacks to be related to the amount of dust or plant material in the air. As far as I was aware the condition itself is not directly affected by ambient bacteria, but of course if those bacteria lead to respiratory infection it's a different story. Is there more info somewhere?
More importantly, the "Cultural/commercial aspects" section (and attendant heading) strike me as POV. Before I flex my "be bold" fingertips here, I'd like to know what other people think? Am I just reading too much into it? It seems like a thinly-veiled prop for the "back to nature" group. The problem is compounded by the brevity of the current article. Comments? Jeeves 05:59, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Article seems "weird"
This article is rather weird, and I'm going to rework it to correspond closer to the dictionary (and common) definition: practices intended and generally thought to prevent illness through cleanliness. In particular, I'll remove:
- healthy diet — not generally considered part of hygiene, though hygiene in food preparation is obviously part of a healthy diet
- mental health — no idea what that's doing here, but I see no relation.
About this mental hygiene there is going to be a report about it tomorrow in my school i'll try to keep you posted. (mental activity i think) 201.226.132.65 01:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)Karl
- "daily" washing of hair and body — as far as I know, medical opinion is quite split on the ideal frequency for doing that.
- avoidance of "indirect" contact with "unhygienic people" — again, no idea about that.
Please actually provide significant sources before reinstating those statements. It might be necessary to split this article into one dealing with practices actually shown to prevent illness, and those that are of a more cultural nature.
RandomP 17:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Medieval Hygiene
This article has some inaccurate information concerning medieval hygiene, and its assertion that Europeans did not bathe regularly until the 17th century is wrong -- the availability of perfume and a fear that water carried disease into the flesh through the skin actually led to a decrease in water-bathing. William Dalrymple is not a medieval European historian and I don't understand why his work is being cited here in reference to the Middle Ages. Bathing was a common practice in the Middle Ages and all other articles on Wikipedia that I can find relating to this topic attest to this, making this article inconsistent. I will gather some sources over the next couple weeks and correct this. JamesMcCloud129 21:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Changes have been made. JamesMcCloud129 23:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I got a second comment on the section, it says they did not empty chamber pots, but i heard on a show on the discovery channel (i figure they usualy know what thier talking about) that they did, why would the romans, they had a sewer system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjayh913 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Phrases in the article that need clarification
Here we can put things that could need clarification, or explanation, or things that confuse us.
[edit] "Hygiene is the primary attraction facet"
Can someone clarify what this means? --Media anthro 22:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] History of Hygiene
I have heard that in ancient Rome there were two cults. One was let by a man named Hygiene and the other led by a man called Hippocrates. The followers of Hygiene preached to prevent illness. The followers of Hippocrates preached to treat illness. Any information about the facts on this matter would be helpful.
142.167.108.245 23:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC) Should there be metnion of Slavic/Germanic and otherwise North and Eastern European Bathing techniques? There is mention of western bathing habits that included Perfume bathing but this was not true in North and East Europe, there was a strong tradtion of Sauna and bathouse in North and East Europe that started from Pagan Times. German scientists were reported to say that the Russian Banya held many benefits and cured many diseases. I am wondering if people have source that explains information I posted :D
[edit] Bias towards men who have not removed their foreskin
It actually seems that the phrase "For uncircumcised men, cleaning daily under the foreskin with soap and water." has been removed. Uhm, has anyone noticed? Personally I would prefer if it just said : "for men, cleaning daily thoughrouly under the foreskin with water, optionally with soap.". That would of course be missing , about what women should do, which I have no clue about. Logictheo (talk) 12:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- This should be a what-is article, not a how-to article, so I think "washing the body" suffices. As it is, the article represents grooming more than hygienic (disease-preventing) practices. You can always create a separate article about washing the genitalia, if you feel the information needs to be on WP. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Restoring 22 February 2008 version due to accidental truncation
I reverted a vandal's edit using Twinkle, and the page seems to have been truncated. I didn't notice until someone added back some of the missing material. Having looked at the history, I'm reverting back to a version from 22 February 2008 (that predated the recent rash of vandalism) to restore the rest of the missing material. Just letting you know why I'm doing this, in case I trample anyone's legitimate edit in the process. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
