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[edit] Obama

All the other entries on this list are people who used Hussein as a family name. Do middle names really count? - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 18:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

There's also first names and the title of a missile. I don't see why not, although I'm not going to add a "middle names" section just to stick in Barack Obama.

Listing Barack Obama on this list is rather silly, and almost a textbook example of recentism, owing to all the recent press coverage over this. I don't think it's significant at all and should probably be removed. Dr. Cash (talk) 19:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, listing Obama amongst a list of people is ridiculous. Enough people have made this point that I'll be bold and change it.

The widespread precedent I've seen on other pages is to list a) people whose last name is X, and 2) people who typically go by a single name, e.g. monarchs such as King Hussein of Jordan. Now, Arabic names do follow quite a different model than Western ones, so a different model may be in order. But listing people here whose given name (ism, اسم) is "Husayn" or "Mohammed" is as completely absurd as listing George W. Bush on George or Bill Clinton on William.

On the other hand, I could see a case for the fact that so much attention has been devoted to Obama's middle name that he ought to be linked here. That is, the link is deserved not because his middle name is Hussein, but because that fact that his middle name is Hussein is a major issue in the press.

For now I'll leave him off entirely, but please respond if you think otherwise. --Saforrest (talk) 00:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I agree with that, a lot of attention has been made about his middle name and it would make sense that people would come to this article to see if he was on it, or if they just heard Obama's middle name out of context, they would come here just to see who this person is that they heard someone talking about. It certainly SHOULD be added to this article. JayKeaton (talk) 05:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Obama needs to be on here

Many of these people on the list don't have Hussein as a first or last name, and it only comes out like this in Western translations.

Hussein was a name given to him, therefore it is a given name, whether or not it is his middle name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.185.205 (talk) 17:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. It's only his middle name, and listing it here is only playing to fear-mongering, and Republican-ized politics that goes against WP:NPOV. Dr. Cash (talk) 18:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Who's fearmongering? As a Muslim supporter of Obama, me as well as other supporters how are Muslim, are proud that he has this as a middle name, and to ignore it is to downplay that he has a connection to Eastern Africa and Islam. Also, there are others under the list of "given name" whose first name also wasn't Hussein, but was a middle or even second middle name, but they are still on. By this standard, Obama should be on. If you take him off the page, then there are a few others who must be taken off.

Furthermore, if he is taken off, then I guess you agree that President Nixon should be taken off the "Milhous" page, and so forth. We should all be mature enough to admit that this is his middle name, and that there is nothing wrong with it, and that his supporters should stop concealing it as if its a bad thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.185.205 (talk) 22:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

If you continue to vandalize the article, you will be banned. Dr. Cash (talk) 02:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you at least explain yourself? You are being very unfair. Should we erase Nixon from the Milhous page? While we're at it, lets erase FDR from the Delano page. Look at the history, you're using your authority to clearly bully people when people obviously think it should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.185.205 (talk) 03:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

If you want to contribute to wikipedia in a productive manner, then get an account. All anonymous IPs are nothing better than vandals, and need to be banned immediately. There's no point to hiding behind your pathetic IP address. Dr. Cash (talk) 05:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Could you please answer the question at hand? Oh wait, you don't have an answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.185.205 (talk) 05:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's keep this on topic. Talk pages are for legitimate discussions of the article, not personal attacks or political debates. ~~ Meeples (talk)(email) 05:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The ONLY reason to keep him on here is in the interests of politics, notably those politicians that are running against him. It is fear-mongering, and should not and cannot be tolerated; not to mention that including him on the list is a gross violation of WP:NPOV, especially in the election season. Dr. Cash (talk) 21:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Would you please answer the question instead o frepeating yourself. THere is an overwhelming amount of people who think this should be included, and you have made it a personal commitment to keep it off, while hiding behind false justifications. You sound like Dubya with your false reasoning. Like I asked before, should we then delete all people from the pages of their middle names? If not, then Obama should be included in this list, just as FDR is, just as Clinton is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.185.205 (talk) 04:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, fine. Seeing as how every anonymous IP vandal in the country is going to add him to the page between now and November, fine. He can be there. I don't fucking care anymore. But make sure you keep the list alphabetical; don't add Obama to the first or last listing because that's out of order, and listing him there is drawing more attention to his listing and thereby violating WP:NPOV. Dr. Cash (talk) 20:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Will you hear it from me?

I have a wikipedia account and am not "hiding behind an IP address" as you claim. I also agree with this user 100% that Obama should be added to this list of famous "Hussein's". I don't see why you would not include the possible next president of the United States on this page. Obama is not running and hiding from the name, he could have dropped it before the campaign began, but he's comfortable enough in himself to use it, I don't see why you are refusing to use this open-source dictionary like it is meant to be used.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkadouri (talk • contribs)

The thing is, Nixon and FDR are famous US presidents. Barack Obama is not president, only a candidate. If he becomes president, then it would be appropriate to add him to the list. Note that Hillary Rodham Clinton is not on the Diane page, nor is John McCain on Sidney, yet Bill Clinton is on Jefferson. (I'm sure you could find other notable examples.) Adding Obama on the list now is not so much fear mongering, it just seems inconsistent and unnecessary. -- Kip the Dip (talk) 05:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I just looked for another example, and it turns out former presidential candidate John Kerry is listed on Forbes (disambiguation). I suppose it's because "Forbes" is not a widely known and/or usual name to many people, thus making Kerry's middle name notable. By the same logic, I'm now for adding Barack Obama on the Husayn page. -- Kip the Dip (talk) 05:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that the last edit to the Obama description was absolutely ridiculous and needed to be re-assessed! Why include that he "inherited it from his "Secular" grandfather, a citizen of Nairobi, Kenya"? That is superfluous information - and such details are NOT meant for this page - sure, on the Barack Obama page, but NOT on this - this is just a LIST of notable Hussein's. I will fight such edits vigorously! Please, comment in this page before making any more changes to the Obama description. -- Dkadouri