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[edit] Guitars

It needs to be said that Daft Punk did not play any guitar on this album. For some reason, on the web, there is a constant emphasis on Daft Punk playing guitar. The only instance of guitar is on the track 'Robot Rock' - which was sampled from an older song called 'Release the Beast' ie. they took the guitar from another track. This is the only occurance of guitar on the album - and Daft Punk did not play it. It is quite obvious that Daft Punk are key instigators in spreading this false information, perhaps to sharpen their image in some sort of way. But information on Wikipedia should be the true information, not the hype.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.96.72 (talk • contribs)

Please cite a source for this information. The article currently cites a source stating that Daft Punk did play guitars throughout the album. Just64helpin 17:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The liner notes states "All guitars by Daft Punk" It has been sourced before that Bangalter and Guy Manuel know how to play guitar and have played some songs on guitar. It has also been sourced that they do not cut and copy samples, they play it over with their musical talent. Douglasr007 08:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, where has it been sourced? The liner notes may state that all guitars are by Daft Punk but this source shows otherwise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJPdVVOmbz4. You said that they do not cut and copy samples, this source shows otherwise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJPdVVOmbz4. Please, take your own advice and source your information.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.63.79 (talk • contribs)

This has mentioned many times. Even though Daft Punk get their samples from other songs, it has been sourced and documented in other Daft Punk related articles that Daft Punk don't do a copy and paste job on their samples. They actually play the sample with their own musical talent and then work with what they did to the sample. Check out the sources for the Discovery article if you don't believe me. Showing me a YouTube video of samples that they have already ackownledged in their own liner notes of their albums does not prove anything except your ignorance of thinking Daft Punk just sample and rip off the artists who originally made the song. Douglasr007 00:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

You can't just say 'it has been mentioned many times'! Where is the source for this? Songs like Harder Better Faster Stronger and Robot Rock are DIRECT copy and paste jobs - this can be proven simply by listening to the songs. No one can replicate a song that well, capturing all the nuances of the instrument etc. Simply impossible. If you disagree then you are naive to the music making process. You are confused about the definition of sampling - sampling means they use the exact same sound file. If you can atleast agree that this is the definition of sampling then I can provide you a million sources showing how you are wrong, for example - http://palmsout.blogspot.com/2007/02/sample-wednesday-27-daft-punk.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.183.50.38 (talk • contribs).

I've seen the Palms Out source so many times it makes me sad. Yes, they sample. However, they sample by adding their own talent into the sampling. Ok, I'll bring up the source from the Discovery article. link The magazine asks some questions to Daft Punk about the Discovery album and the magazine asks "This album sounds like it features a lot of live performance, too. The “guitar solo” on “Digital Love,” for example, sounds like something you played instead of sequenced." which Bangalter replies:

“

That was a mix of elements. It was done with the help of technology, with the help of sequencers. We're interested in making things sound like something other than what they are. There are guitars that sound like synthesizers, and there are synthesizers that sound like guitars. The other goal is to create spontaneity. Even though we're not that good, we played a lot of things ourselves. With the help of technology, you can manufacture skills you don't have. That's one advantage of having a home studio. It takes a lot of time to put together music that way, and that's not always a luxury you may have in a regular studio. You might have one or two months to record an entire album in a regular studio, but in a home studio you have more time to experiment. We also like the idea of the solo. No one plays solos in their songs anymore, but we wanted to include some on the album.

”

The quote after that mentions how they find samples. It's a mix of either being real or just being sampled. Is this any proof? Douglasr007 01:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Some parts are real guitar, probably played by Daft Punk but this is just very basic, layered elements to the music. I think the problem is that Daft Punk themselves are intentionally vague as to their production methods. Nevertheless, for the sake of this discussion, the original statement was that Daft Punk did not play all the guitars on this album and that has been proved by many websites including the Palms Out link. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.183.50.38 (talk • contribs).

You're just basing that on "Robot Rock." Does "Television Rules the Nation" ring a bell? The guitar riff in Human After All? Yeah. Not everything involving guitar on the album was sampled. Douglasr007 08:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The original post in this discussion is that they didn't play "any" guitar. This statement is clearly innaccurate. Just64helpin 10:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The statement "All guitars by Daft Punk." is also inaccurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.183.187.129 (talk • contribs).

The statement can be interpreted as "All live guitars by Daft Punk", which is accurate. The Breakwater sample would not qualify as an in-studio guitar in this context. Just64helpin 14:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

That's weak and you know it. It *could* be interpreted like that, but it is not interpreted like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.146.173 (talk) 04:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand what the argument is. The Breakwater sample is clearly credited in the very same liner notes that state "all guitars by Daft Punk". The duo are not hiding anything, so they are certainly not trying to lie. Just64helpin 11:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Substituting

Why did you substitute the cquote template? Just64helpin 02:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You usually subst templates in talk pages. WP:SUBST Douglasr007 02:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remix album

Shouldn't the remix album have it's own article? Leopold Stotch (talk) 04:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It isn't notable enough for its own article. Just64helpin (talk) 04:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)