Talk:Human-powered transport

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Contents 1 SUMPA claim 2 Recumbant 3 Efficiency 4 Land Speed Record behind a pace vehicle 5 hpv speed record information needed 6 Speed records in own section 7 Walking across a distance while carrying

[edit] SUMPA claim

The SUMPA claim is disputed. See TIME Article., IHPVA Document. --Thisisbossi 03:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• Neither of the two references cited in the article mentions a date of March, 1937. The Time article does claim Sept. 13, 1936 as the first flight date. --Wiley 02:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

• • I have an obituary that provides the flight date and could scan that in, but I am unsure of the newspaper source that it comes from. I'll see about uploading that as soon as I can verify licensing/copy info. --Thisisbossi 11:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recumbant

• The posted statistics for recumbant bikes seems out of place. I would prefer to spend more space on how common HPV / bikes are, rather than supralatives on fringe HPV.
• One interesting chart:

http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/Bike/Bike_data.htm#fig2; it compares bicycle versus automobile production, showing the much higher bicycle production.

• And from that to this source:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/08/the_bicycle_is.php (original graph: http://www.princeton.edu/~ina/infographics/transportation.html) -- bikes are the most used transportation vehicle in the world

• More perspetive on world bike use: http://www.cicle.org/news/earth_talk.html

• However, separate articles about fringe HPV could easily include:
  • helicopters http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/helo1.html
  • submarines- http://www.sections.asme.org/sandiego/HPS2004/hps2004results.htm.

--User:Geoave

[edit] Efficiency

If I remember correctly, the bicycle is the most effcient transfer of human energy, with a loss of something like 2 or 3 percent. I think this info should be added but I'm not sure of its authenticity of the percentage of energy loss and I couldn't find any reaserch on the internet. Please help. --AidanPryde 11:30, 12 Jun 2006 (UTC)

• According to the bicycle article: "Fixed-gear track racing bikes have transmission efficiencies of over 99%"--Wiley 16:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Link to another aricle on efficieny - http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et1199/et1199s13.html --User:geoave

[edit] Land Speed Record behind a pace vehicle

The Dutch version states that Fred Rompelberg holds this world record from 1995 (268.831 kph) and other internet sources seem to back this up.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Rompelberg EdX20 19:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EdX20 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] hpv speed record information needed

there doesn't seem to be a wikipedia page for the land speed record for human powered vehicles. This page should at least mention it / them (eg records for paced / unpaced, recumbent, wedgie etc) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stib (talk • contribs) 02:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Speed records in own section

The information about the speed records should I believe be placed in their own section (the article is about human-powered transport, not physical achievements).

Also, can someone please remove that silly picture about a sherpa carrying wood in the Andes (or atleast place it in the "sheer muscle power"-section). It's not representative at all to place it at the top to guide the "human-powered transport"-article (which is about transport.

Thanks. 87.64.192.70 (talk) 08:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Walking across a distance while carrying

The word transport is derived from the Latin trans ("across") and portare ("to carry"). The photo of a human carrying cargo while walking across a distance is in the introduction because so many editors have disrespected walking as a form of transport. Quoting from the introduction: "...human-powered transport has existed since time immemorial in the form of walking..." --Wiley (talk) 13:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)