Talk:History of video game consoles (sixth generation)

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[edit] Generation defining features

I'm wondering if there shouldn't be a mention\section like this. This generation was the begging of online gaming (existed on PC, yes, but consoles were catching up and each had a modem of some kind), wireless gaming (arguably initiated by the wavebird) and multimedia experience (DVD playback was a desired feature, for some reason, when it came to the xbox and PS2). --Thaddius 15:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Added paragraph on online gaming. Multimedia was arguably started with the PS1's ability to play CDs, but its still a good point. Tehw1k1 18:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gizmondo a sixth generation handheld?

Is this correct? It was released at around the same time as the DS and the PSP. Samx 22:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC) It's not, the PSP and DS are seventh gen., but since they're released at the time of the sixth gen. even though handhelds are totally diff. has led people to belive their sixth gen. They have so much more power than the GBA that its not funny that there here. Uber555 23:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Power matters in 0 ways. The PS2 could function with the PSP. 1 reason why PSP is a 6th gen system. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperNESPlayer (talk • contribs) 20:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] PS3 3rd party hardware compatibilty

Shouldn't this be added too? Ps3 ability to use any standard 2.5in Sata drive, any bluetooth headset and any external usb hard drive?201.51.117.222 12:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the Comparison chart Playstation 2 picture

Since the chart is about the launch of the systems, shouldn't the picture show how the PS2 looked at launch, and not the slim model PS2 that was released years later? Tehw1k1 06:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please defend or rewrite or reintegrate this paragraph

Trends-market convergence "Major developers such as Activision released games covering the PC, Xbox, GameCube, PlayStation 2, and Dreamcast. Other famous developers (Capcom, Sega, etc.) who released games from previous generations also made considerable enhancements in gameplay and graphics. The PC and Dreamcast made these leaps from the previous generation of consoles. The generation was the first to help console and computer software grow closer together as well as outperform the arcade market in features, graphics and business."

A lot of this seems completely obvious and extraneous. I've been thinking of erasing it, but there are a couple of decent nuggets of info in there. If someone could rewrite it or integrate some of it into another part or the article, the article might read better. Tehw1k1 17:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

NM, I did it myself. Tehw1k1 01:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:VG Assessment

[edit] Assessment

[edit] Lead Section

  • Lead section is poor. Too short, and does not accurately summarize and introduce the article. See: WP:LS
  • Something is resizing my Firefox window, and I don't like it. Something like this might immediately turn away a reader.
  • Make a proper infobox, at least including the start and end year.

[edit] Home Systems

  • If 10.6 million is 6.5% of the total sales, then the total number is... - Don't let the reader do the math. Also, copy the sources from the later sales standings section using ref name="source name" (find out how to do this if you don't know yet).
  • From reading the first few paragraphs, I get the impression that the writer is a Dreamcast fanboy, due to disproportionate attention to that console in the introduction of this section, and a much larger dedicated section then all the other consoles.
  • Use {{main}} tags to link to the main articles of all consoles, as well as the comparison section.
  • This whole section lacks sources. Using sources from the main articles is a good and easy way.
  • Number of bits subsection is just a lot of numbers, with only the facts sourced and the opinions attached to them not. Delete as original research, and recreate with only sourced information. Finding sources for the specific statements in this subsection is relatively less productive than the delete-and-recreate method.
  • Create a "Comparison of sixth generation video game consoles" article if it doesn't exist yet. The current comparison section should be moved there and summarized here, as it's way too large. Delete accessories and excess GPU and RAM info from here as a first step.
  • The comparison table is making me scroll horizontally on 1024x768. Make the table thinner.

[edit] Handheld Systems

  • Delete gallery, keep two good pictures in the normal style. Too big for an already too large article.
  • It should be noted in this section that Nintendo just owned the market in this era, until the release of the PSP. Find a source for it, too.
  • A lot more, but work on the above first. Ask for another assessment when done.

[edit] Trends

  • No references at all. Copy some from the main articles in the subsections that have main articles, just Google for the others. (Set Google to search for pdf files only in advanced search, sensible reports will flood your screen.)
  • Quite good otherwise, but needs images. Perhaps illustrate the controversy section with a good amount of gore, or retro gaming with a retro game?

[edit] Remakes

[edit] Software

  • Delete as listcruft in an inappropriate place, making the article made less clear and comprehensive for non-gamers.
  • Create a "List of sixth generation video games" article, or something to that effect, move the information there, and create a 'see also section' linking to this (and others).

[edit] Conclusion

Kept start, high. This assessment applies to most of the articles in the series as well, but feel free to apply for individual assessment of each article in the series.

When the points above have been addressed, ask for a re-assessment.

As a final point, a large part of this article is about comparing the visual performance of the consoles, and a lot of the discussions I just archived were about that issue. There is only one good way to address this point on Wikipedia, which is to look at third-party (IGN, GameSpot) reviews of the console, then summarize and paraphrase those in the articles about the consoles or a "Comparison of.." article.

--User:Krator (t c) 22:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I am quite disappointed that no one saw it fit to respond to the (lenghty) assessment. --User:Krator (t c) 12:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Lead Section
   * Lead section is poor. Too short, and does not accurately summarize and introduce the article. See: WP:LS

Agree, but many other VG articles are similar. It would be best to wait until rewriting the entire article before rewriting the summary, since one will naturally impact the other.

   * Something is resizing my Firefox window, and I don't like it. Something like this might immediately turn away a reader.

Adware? Please give details?

   * Make a proper infobox, at least including the start and end year.

Good idea. Can you suggest a template/code?

RE: sixth gen-I cant help my cruftiness. I think an article that has a timeline of franchises for all gens would be in order. And what do you think of the interpretation that any game that has at least one sequel constitutes a franchise, or does more staying power or mainstream awareness also need to be considered?

Otherwise agree, but I wont be able to do it all myself. How would one get the word out about requesting editing help? Tehw1k1 05:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Console Sales figures

Could we please have these broken down by region, for example Xbox was second overall in World and US sales but actually 3rd behind Gamecube in Both Japan and EU territorys, shows regional preferences. 83.104.138.141 17:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sixth Generation or Seventh Generation?

  • We all know that the original Game Boy Advance was a sixth generation hand held console, well as the Game Boy Advance SP, but what about the Game Boy Micro? The Game Boy Micro was released after the original Nintendo DS in 2004, released at the same time as the Sony PlayStation Portable and a few months before the Xbox 360! The Nintendo DS started off the Seventh Generation of video games, and the Game Bot Micro was released well into a year of the new generation. So can somebody tell me what generation this handheld fits into? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spock2266 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Best selling game on PS2

The best selling game on PS2 is not Gran Turismo: A-Spec, it's Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City sold 15 million copies, and Gran Turismo: A-Spec sold 14.88 million copies. So please change it or I will be forced to take action. The King Gemini (talk) 20:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you actually have a sourced reference that 15 million copies of Vice City was sold on the PS2? Otherwise don't change it. Strongsauce (talk) 22:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)