Talk:History of the United Kingdom

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[edit] lost text help!

sorry, i've just deleted the text box with the links to other British history pages and am not sure how to get it back so if anyone finds it please restore it! thanks --Cap 21:43, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • Fixed - SimonP 21:45, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Areas needing more work

pre 1800

  • more on the conquest of Ireland from the 17th century on (attempts to bring it under English control)
  • Republican Rule - more on Cromwells conquests in Scotland and Ireland and his attempt to unify the British Isles under one rule

UK

  • perhaps a section on Parliament and government/ and maybe more on the devolution/EU issues
  • perhaps a section on the individual nations making up the UK (and the possible conflict between the identities of constituent nations with the UK(eg. English/British, Welsh/British). (ie actually how united is it?!)
  • A section on Ireland after it becomes part of the UK.(which i've now created as a separate title) especially the 'home rule' issue of the 19th century and calls for independence leading up to the creation of the Irish Free State.
  • maybe a section on Northern Ireland - the loyalist/republican issue
  • much more needed on recent issues
  • much more history on britan, instead of ireland, the corn law, and the liberal ideas of the 1800's and pre WW1 1900's should probably be more than a foot note to this page of irish history.

I've now copied passages from the History of Ireland and History of Northern Ireland pages but they probably need a bit more editing to make them fit better into a history of the UK as a whole.

The entire article is limited to about 32k according to wiki rules.. why not edit down those sections you copied into a few sentences, then add a line under the header See main article History of Ireland .. otherwise the article will reach max size before everything can be added. This page should mostly be an outline of the history pointing to the full articles in more detail. Stbalbach 09:41, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

This page should be renamed Political history of the United Kingdom or merged into History of the British constitution, as other than some tiny sections it only dicusses the political evolution of the UK. It doesn't even mention the Second World War, for instance. - SimonP 04:57, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

I would like to get some information about the political development after WWII, e.g. the British role in the EC/EU and the UN, Thatcherism, New Labour, the Wars in Korea, the Falkland Islands and Iraq, etc. 213.23.133.97 14:37, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Status

I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Status, which has some notes about what needs to be done to make this article featured. Please add other suggestions and see what you can to help. Tuf-Kat

I don't have specific interest or knowledge of the subject but I have just done some minor editing, including some extensive editing of one paragraph in the article; it was amateurishly written and hard to read. Hopefully those more interested in this topic than I will approve and it will help, if only a little, in this article reaching your intended target of being featured :) --Cory 17:40, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History of the United Kingdom series

There are a bunch of articles listed randomly at History of Britain that point to elements and periods of UK/British/English history but nothing chronological or really even serial. It would seem really fitting to have a more comprehensive series on the history of the UK focused on the United Kingdom as a unit, but none presently exists.

And, with due respect, this article collapses the history of the UK into the relationship of the UK with Scotland and Ireland, rather than the UK as the UK. There is virtually no discussion of the UK's external relations - France is mentioned only once, Germany is never mentioned, even though this history ostensibly covers the World Wars. Was that the intent? If so, where does such a discussion go? Adam Faanes 01:48, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recent history

I've put something in because it could not go on without it for a long time; needs to be shortened. Everybody is welcome. --Cethegus 16:23, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Split it up

This is an excessively long page. It may be good for it to be split up. ThisDude415 2006-03-10


[edit] Need link for Thatcherism

The article Thatcherism contains the line: "This personal approach also became identified with a certain toughness at times such as the Falklands War, the IRA bomb at the Conservative conference and the Miner's Strike." -- I'm making links, but I'm unable to find a Wikipedia article corresponding to "the IRA bomb at the Conservative conference." Can anybody find this and make the correct link in Thatcherism? - Thanks. -- 201.78.233.162 20:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "History of the United Kingdom#Recent history"

What on earth is this very specific account of very, very recent events doing in a generalist article such as History of the United Kingdom? I mean, WWII is only mentioned as a ref point and I think WWI is skipped completely, and even the IRA bombings (much more extensive, many more dead over the years, included assassination of politicians) are dealt with much more compactly than this. I propose losing the entire "terror plots" § and leaving at the one-liner in the "Tony Blair" § commenting on decrease of IRA activity vs increase in Islamic extremist activity. The Blair § could also do with work - this is supposed to be UK history, not specific Blair history. JackyR | Talk 00:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Completely agree with JackyR and I've removed the most inappropriate sections, added tags to other sections deemed inappropriate. I hope someone with better summerising skills and an good knowledge of contemporary British history can fill in the blanks. Terrorism has NOT defined our history in the past decade. --JDnCoke 11:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest removing the section in its current form altogether. Maybe a line or two about Blairism and post-9/11 foreign policy could be included in the previous section, "second half of the twentieth century". Thoughts? -- Mrf-rouk 17:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I find that this section detracts from the rest of the page. It restates opinion and the factual content is more suited to a separate article on TB. Zzzp 22:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality?

What aspect of the article is disputed in terms of it's neutrality? OK it's a bad article needing work, but I see no disputs on this page. If there are none, the header should be removed. Jhamez84 22:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

This could easily be renamed as Critisims of the United Kingdom. It doesn't make even a nod towards being ballanced.Dejvid 09:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK-history-stub

Please make UK-history-stub synonymous with the UK-hist-stub. "hist" is not intuitive. Other history stubs accept "something-history-stubs". I don't think they use "-hist-stub", but I don't know, because "-history-stub" has always worked. I tried all kinds of combinations of UK, England, and British with "history-stub" and nothing worked. So I was left with just "history-stub" which created work for other people who know about the "UK-hist-stub" magic. Whatever possessed someone to make such an obscure stub template and not also make the synonym? Hu 01:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient history

Aldux I re-added it, with the proper understanding from where the text is originally from they were from inscriptions. --Vonones 06:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template message

I'm wondering if it's completely appropriate to state in a template that an article is "too short for something so important," so to speak. Is this a misuse of the template? The Last Melon (talk) 05:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of the Jews in Wales

If anyone can help, still needed is an article about the History of the Jews in Wales to complete the History of the Jews in Europe. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 12:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ambiguous Abbreviation

The meaning of the abbreviation "MP" as used in this article is not immediately obvious to readers outside the UK. I had to look up the meaning after dismissing the possibility that it meant "Military Police." I'd like to see someone with more subject knowledge than I remedy the situation. 72.215.57.194 (talk) 21:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tony Blair?

What's the Tony Blair section all about? It just has some whining about the Iraq war and ID cards, not to mention it's all unreferenced. In terms of the History of the UK both pretty un-notable, we've had plenty of wars that aren't mentioned, and as for ID cards, we actually have to wait for Orwellian Dystopian future to happen before we can write about it. If anything it should be about the Scottish parliment forming and maybe the Northern Ireland peace process. I'm gonna remove it unless someone can think why I shouldn't. Ryan4314 (talk) 00:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

100% agree, it's total POV cherry picking to include these. The Iraq War is very notable as far as Blair himself goes and maybe UK/US relations, but certainly not a major turning point in the History of the United Kingdom. Likewise ID cards have major implication privacy-wise etc. but not in UK history. Mark83 (talk) 22:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I've tried to reorganise...but

I've tried to reorganise and remove duplication but I wonder if maybe a more radical approach is required. How about we remove all pre-1707 stuff and have links to History of Scotland/ History of England instead? Then we can truly focus on history of the United Kingdom as a country in its own right. Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 19:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I've done it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.45.242 (talk) 21:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)