Talk:History of the Székely people
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[edit] Kudos et ali
Very interesting article! However, I think you forgot to mention an episode in 16th century: Szekely were catholics, while the Hungarian nobles recently converted to Calvinism, and wanted to convert the entire Transylvania. It ended up in a battle, a defeat of the nobles by the Szekely. But, since I don't know Hungarian, it would be hard for me to find proper sourses. Also, you (the editors who created this article) might be able to do it much faster. :Dc76 20:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it was in 1567, and has been commemorated ever since in Csíksomlyó every year. I didn't include it because I had not found reliable sources about it. Thaks for your comment, I will try to find something. --KIDB 21:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- You are welcome, I can only imagine how much time it has taken to write it, re-re-reedit, and wikify. Plus you have maps and pictures! :Dc76 21:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- I found a recent article written by the Unitarian Bishop of Cluj/Kolozsvár, where he says there was no campaign against catholic Székelys at all in 1567... According to this article the whole story was made up by catholics in the early 18th century, in the time of Counter-Reformation by Habsburgs in Hungary. I found other sources too, mostly unitarians, claiming that this campaign didn't happen at all.
- No wonder I was suspicious, none of the scientific sources I used mentioned this event. I think we should include this in the article only if somebody finds a serious and reliable source about it.
- Now the only thing I don't understand is what Kudos et ali means. --KIDB 07:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- Obviously, without a sourse, it is not logical to include a reference to the event. I would rather keep an open mind about whether the event happened or not, b/c (please note this) all sourses from both sides are religious. One day the truth will surface in a scholarly soourse, and will settle things. "Kudos" was meant to mean "bravo"s :-) "ali" (maybe I misspeled it) was meant to mean "other stuff". I meant to say "good article" and bring some other stuff (1567) to your attention. But apparently I found a weird way to abreviate. :-) :Dc76 12:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- You are welcome, I can only imagine how much time it has taken to write it, re-re-reedit, and wikify. Plus you have maps and pictures! :Dc76 21:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Genetic research
The following remarks by an unknown user do not exactly follow the content to be found in the references provided by him/her. Genetics is a very tricky topic anyway, if we are talking about ethnic groups, nations. I moved the concerned sentences here for possible further discussions:
Nevertheless, there is phylogenetical evidence from Y-chromosome DNA analyses showing no significant differences between modern Hungarians (Magyar) and Szeklers, and proving that both contain Asian genetic elements beside the European ones.
Reference: Csányi, Bernadett: Analysis of Y-chromosomal microsatellites on archaeological and modern samples
