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Contents 1 1 2 need info 3 Provincial mergers 4 Loyalists 5 Unbalanced issues 6 Three articles

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Why was this page redirected to Talk:History_of_New_York_City? I removed the redirect. Bkonrad 16:35, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] need info

please send any good info on colonial new york to my talk page, need it for a project [expires soon] Dragonoffish 13:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Finding information has never been easier, and yet you still want someone else to do your research? With online libraries and multiple search engines, you have at your fingertrips lots of stuff that used to be only available with a trip to the library and tedious searching. The problem today is not in finding the information; it's gauging the reliability of the information.

Pollinator 14:56, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Provincial mergers

Why? Why should the pre 1776 sections go to the larger New York State article instead of this smaller one? Jim.henderson (talk) 23:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• I have started the discussion on the New York discussion page. Since we already have two main articles New Netherland and the Province of New York, we do not need summaries of these two articles in two places. I don't think size is an issue since the size of the summary should never need to get much larger than its current size. BradMajors (talk) 23:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Loyalists

The topic of loyalists is now covered twice in the article - just a few paragraphs apart from each other. NEITHER has any citations. Reading the article you'd think there was little history to the state except the history of loyalists & Indians during the revolution --JimWae (talk) 04:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

• These are two different time periods and two different organizations. The first relates to the actions of the Committee for Detecting and Defeating Conspiracies during the war. The other section relates to the rerise of the Sons of Liberty and the passing and repealing of anti-loyalist laws by the new New York State after the war.
• Are there any other issues as far as balance? It would seem we could replace the {unbalanced} tag with the {Expand-section} and {citations missing} tags.

The topic needs to be dealt with once - the history does not have to stay completely chronological - and sources are needed. The AR section & the following one could be combined - they aren't even properly chronological now. The article presently overlooks major events in NY from 1750-1793. It was only a few days ago I added the battles paragraph. This article is NOT a major interest for me - but the concentrations I see, present an unbalanced summary of the period. Where is any mention of NYC being the capital? of it being held by the British during ARW? --JimWae (talk) 05:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unbalanced issues

• Section needs to be expanded?

  Agreed.

• Lack of citations.

  Agreed.

BradMajors (talk) 05:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three articles

Three separate major articles all dealing with the history of the same place? Virginia to History of Virginia might be a good place to see how another state article deals with this issue.Awotter (talk) 01:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm not the one who split off the New York colonial articles but I think it's a good idea. On the whole the large History of Virginia article is superior to this one and its two colonial children, but I don't think the colonial separation is part of the problem, and Virginia's, respectfully, would be even better with its colonial section split off and only a brief summary left behind. Of course, knowing little of Virginia, I won't escalate this suggestion into a recommendation, but as for New York I think we'll more stick to improving the organization and contents of the various articles than try consolidating them. And thank you for your suggestion; it's always pleasant to get another point of view. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)