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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 Flew 1.2 WikiProject class rating 1.3 Primary sources? 1.4 due to lack of reseach on ottoman achives.... 1.5 Primary Sources/Raw Data 1.6 Original Research?

[edit] Comments

[edit] Flew

Does anyone know what means he used for his flight? --Xenophonos 16:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

- Delta wings inspired from bats. AFAIK.

• I don't know anything about this, but over the Bosporus (must be more than 2 km) in 1638...doesn't sound very convincing. Prolly over the Golden Horn. Would still be a feat, if true:83.191.191.88 02:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 16:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Primary sources?

There must be some Turkish sources for this, right? Wilkins is the only contemporary source mentioned, and even he isn't properly cited. 128.114.132.235 (talk) 01:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] due to lack of reseach on ottoman achives....

There is not any formal evidence about this flight nor the identity of ahmet celebi there are some variations about the wings and end of the story the legend lived due to the heavy pressure on istanbul citizens during reign of Murat IV. And 2 kms is not much if you consider he passes over the sea and the wind of bosphorus supporting his effords. But it is more logical to consider Lagari's work as the first aviation because it has more evidence and describes the rocket technology as we use today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.183.223 (talk) 01:19, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Primary Sources/Raw Data

I have found no sources for this event that do not stem from the writings of Evliyâ Çelebi. His words very specifically indicate a flight over the channel and NOT the Golden Horn. That said, EÇ does not describe the vehicle in any way; please site a source, if you have one. If anyone has a reference to records of the award allegedly granted to Hezârfen Ahmed Çelebi by Murad IV, it would be productive. I've added raw data for the locations indicated by EÇ, and comparative performance data for the most advanced foot launched glider to date. Frankly, doing anything more than quoting EÇ would be editorializing -that said, I would like to add data regarding the practice location indicated by EÇ; the raw data would illustrate vividly the probability of verisimilitude to an experienced soaring pilot, but would be of little use to a layman without words of interpretation -which would violate the Wiki policy. Mavigogun (talk) 09:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Original Research?

Ubardak(talk) speculates that the information in the Substantiation section may constitute original research. I contend that all the data is directly related to topic and readily available- as such, no siting of resources is required- and that the topic is "Substantiation", not debunking. I will add a reference for the Galata Tower measurements; all other measurements are from Google Earth. Glide ratio information is a measurement of distance compared to change in height, and is a translation of commonly available information, not interpretation. This topic may well deserve OR to be performed, such as a survey of the conditions necessary to make such a flight possible -including weather, training and flight characteristics of the aircraft; if a creditable source for information on these topics can be sited, I believe they would be topically appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavigogun (talk • contribs) 06:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)