Talk:Herschel Greer Stadium

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[edit] Meaning of the stadium's name?

• What is Herschel and Greer? --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 11:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Herschel Greer is the person after whom the stadium was named. I am not sure of his prominence or why the stadium was named after him. --Zpb52 15:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Herschel Lynn Greer was a prominent Nashville businessman and the first president of a group of investors that saved the Nashville Vols baseball team from leaving town in the 1950s(?). He died about a decade before the stadium was built. His family donated $25,000 for construction of the stadium which was posthumosly named after him. This is now covered in this article and his. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 18:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA review

Generally very good. No issues on comprehensiveness and the article is well referenced. The issues I have are minor:

• The prose mentions an expansion to 18,000, but not a decrease in capacity. The capacity listed in the infobox is 10,052. When did it change?

Y Done: I can't find out exactly when this happened (approximatly the mid-to-late 1990s), but I added this after the part about the 18,000: "Over the next decade, many sections of seating beyond the right field wall and along the third base line were replaced by picnic areas, drastically reducing the stadium's seating capacity to just over 10,000." -NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• should keep the stadium functional for another three to five years is crystal-balling, even when referenced. Something like "intended to keep the stadium functional..." would be better.

Y Done: Reworded -NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• "It is currently home to the Triple-A Nashville Sounds of the Pacific Coast League (PCL) and can seat 10,052 fans." - You can attend a baseball game without being a fan.

Y Done: Replaced all but one instance with spectators, in attendance, etc., or just left the number. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• "As one of the oldest stadiums in the league, it now falls well below the standards set for a Triple-A stadium by organized baseball." This doesn't parse. "by organized baseball?" "Triple-A" could do with explaining too.

Remark: I did some slight rewording to this part, but I'm not sure if it will make much difference. It now reads: "Greer is one of the oldest stadiums used by Triple-A teams, and it now falls well below the standards set for a Triple-A stadium by organized baseball." Changed it again: "Greer is one of the oldest stadiums used by a Triple-A team, and it now falls well below organized baseball's standards for a stadium at that class level." Let me explain some of that... "Triple-A" is the team's competition level, it is the highest level before Major League Baseball (this term is linked [earlier] in the article). "Organizaed baseball" refers to Major League Baseball and its affiliated minor leagues (the term is also linked). So, "organized baseball" has set standards for baseball stadiums based on their competition level. Greer does not meet the standards for Triple-A stadiums. I'm sorry if this seems too simplified or if it makes it even more confusing. Will that sentence work better? -NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I wording that a little confusingly, using one sentence where I should have used two. Your alterations have improved it and it is no longer an issue. Oldelpaso (talk) 08:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

• "and is now showing its age" - too informal. Taking it literally, surely it has always been showing its age.

Y Done: Removed the phrase quoted above (both instances) -NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• Lots of redundant instances of "also" or "in addition". In most cases the meaning is unchanged if they are removed, here is an example edit

Y Done Removed all but one instance of "also" where it fits, and all "in addition"s. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• Per WP:DASH, scorelines should have endashes.

Y Done: -NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• Baseball terms such as "bleachers" should be wikilinked.

Y Done: I linked "bleachers." -NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• The images all look to have valid fair-use rationales, but given that there are two decent free-use images in the article, four fair use images is quite a lot. I'd consider removing one of them.

Y Done: I took out one fair-use image illustrating an event at the stadium. That leaves three fair-use images that depict the stadium itself. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• A general comment rather than something to fix, but the stadium is referred to as being old or aging on several occasions. 30 years doesn't sound that old — this weekend I visited a 130 year old stadium, and looking at the article for the only baseball stadium I've heard of (Yankee Stadium), it was built in 1923.

Remark: I know, 30 years isn't that old for a stadium. However, consider that it was built for a team one class level below the current team (Double-A) and that it was evidently built as cheaply as possible. Here is a video from a Nashville news station about the stadium's problems. [1] By the way, do you think it would be a useful external link to add to the article? -NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

A few issues, but they are minor ones in an article with an overall high standard, which should be easily fixed. I am therefore putting the nomination on hold. Oldelpaso (talk) 08:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I beleive I have appropriatly addressed the issues you raised. Let me know about bullet #4 and any other issues you find. Thanks for your review! -NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I've passed the nomination. Good work! Oldelpaso (talk) 08:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)