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Welcome!

       -Mazhar

go!

This one is going to be messy. It is owned by the group, but is operated by Mesa Airlines. We need to keep information in the least number of places. I did move most of the text from the Mesa Airlines article, but then realized something needs to remain there. I add something back in. Vegaswikian 07:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree, we'll definitely need to keep an eye on the situation to see how they work things out. Earlier announcements had made it sound like it would be another airline in parallel with Mesa, Freedom, etc., but then an article somewhere (saw it last night, don't remember where at this particular moment) said it would be operated by Mesa Airlines. Once they get going hopefully we'll get a better idea of how they're operating. As long as Mesa Airlines operates their flights then I think they need a mention there, and they definitely need a mention on the Mesa Air Group page. But most of the specific information, especially once they are actually flying, should go on the go! page. -- Hawaiian717 16:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Disneyland Monorail System Shuttle Mode

Thanks for the fix... I feel stupid now... It was February when I made my entry in the talk page about Blue and Purple being in service with Red in the shop after talking to a Cast Member... ;)

Alyssa3467 22:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

I noticed that you tagged the page Raider Painting Company for speedy deletion with the reason "no assertion of notability". However, "no assertion of notability" is not a criteria for speedy deletion with respect to companies, so I have removed the speedy deletion tag. You can use Wikipedia:Articles for deletion if you still want the article to be deleted. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 10:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Revert on Danger Hiptop

Good catch on the vandalism. It would be useful, however, if you added something to the offender's talk page. I've done so in this case. -- BillWeiss | Talk 06:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The move of Fuji (company)

I've already gone ahead and done the move to List of Fujifilm products. I believe the move is uncontraversial. Fuji (company) now redirects to Fujifilm. I've thus removed the page from Wikipedia:requested moves. Helicoptor 03:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Hawaiian717! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. fetofs Hello! 12:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

EV Nova date

Yeah, sorry about that; I was reverting one edit and accidently reverted yours. Whoopsie! EVula 15:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm not completely sure what happened there. All I did was fix the date and that silly line reappeared. All I can think of was that while I was making my edit someone else edited the other line, though I'm not sure why it didn't report an edit conflict. Oh well, all is well now. :) -- Hawaiian717 16:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hawaiian Airlines fleet chart

Hi, I saw your conversation on User_talk:Golich17 about the fleet chart for Hawaiian Airlines. I thought I'd point you toward the format that I used for the United Airlines fleet chart. If you want I can go ahead and put together the chart for Hawaiian.. just let me know.. —Cliffb 08:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. That might work. I can't confirm how to define each type, but looking at the numbers I could guess which are which: the 3 252 seat aircraft are probably N580HA-N582HA, the three aircraft originally intended for Ansett, the four 259 seat aircraft would be N583HA-N586HA, the ex-LTU aircraft, and the remaining aircraft would be the new aircraft leased from Boeing and AWAS with the 777-style interiors. This is just a guess though based on how the number of each seating configuration line up with the numbers from each set of aircraft, but I don't know of any source that would confirm this. -- Hawaiian717 14:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Sarah lorondeau

I've replaced your prod tag with an AfD since this article has been speedied at least once before. You are welcome to add your comments here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah lorondeau. Rklawton 15:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

New Page Patrol

Hi! I'm doing New Page Patrol with you today, and I've noticed that you're tagging a number of articles with {{nonsense}}. However, the nonsense criterion is to be used only when the text is "unsalvageably incoherent". Thus, articles about some kid's mom or articles about the new cool word some kids made up are not nonsense in the CSD sense. They're sure to be deleted, yes, but not by that criterion. The article about the kid's mom could be tagged with {{db-bio}}; articles about slang can be tagged with either {{db-nocontext}} or, if they're longer and more developed, {{prod}} with a reason of "WP:NEO" or "WP:NFT". Some users (myself included) are incredibly picky about how the criteria for speedy deletion are used. The articles should be deleted, so it's not a really big deal, but you might want to re-read WP:CSD for more clarification. Anyway, keep up the good work and happy editing! -- Merope Talk 18:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I sometimes get a bit overzealous with tagging for deletion. I will try to be more careful about selecting criteria and using PROD or AfD when appropriate. -- Hawaiian717 18:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I think "overzealous" was my exact word when I had another editor point out my CSD issues a few months back. :) Again, it's not a big deal--the stuff you're tagging is crap--but rules are rules. -- Merope Talk 19:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I see the problem now. I'm confusing {{db-nonsense}} with {{db-crap}} -- which we don't seem to have. ;) -- Hawaiian717 19:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

HERO Propaganda on Go! articles

Yea, what a mess. Did anyone read WP:NPOV? I decided to just go in and start a cleanup. Probably more will need to be deleted, but time will tell. If the extra material gets added back in, then one of the POV templates will need to be added. Vegaswikian 18:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I think I'm finished with go! The only action that may be needed is to add the formation lawsuits to the end of the history section with a lower level heading. This will allow that information to grow in one place and leave the normal history cleaner looking for most readers. Vegaswikian 19:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Speedy criteria

Did you know that G11 is for spam? Works great on company spam articles. Vegaswikian 23:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I did. This one didn't strike me as overly spammy though, but rather a simple no assertion of notability for a company. If you look up on my talk page, I actually had tagged it for speedy once before, but before no assertion of notability was a CSD for companies, and I never got around to prod/AfDing it. I'm more likely to use CSD G11 if it's full of marketing speak and/or actually attempts to assert notability but pretty clearly isn't. -- Hawaiian717 23:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Fried coke

Thanks -- I edited the recreated article. NawlinWiki 15:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

why are you?

adding those speedy deletion tags???

remove it, this image is been used in Beyoncé's article as I posted, it is needed and it is free content, because the link cannot be used in wikipedia (the link to the site, RIAA.com) Eduemoni 00:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

You cant link any address from RIAA site because some restrictions, why dont you stop deleting randomly things and start to improve the articles, and help the users to find the right way to post things?
RIAA is an publicy agency (non-governmental), because it is viewable to everyone and this organization is like an TV-Channel or an Radio Station, so it is free content
Eduemoni 00:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
DID YOU SEE THE (non-governmental)???
I dont think so
Eduemoni 02:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Central African Republic

Click here: Lists of companies#C; as you can see, every country has a list and every company has a category. Please remove the prod tag. --McTrixie 21:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I hadn't noticed that. I removed the prod tag. The concept of having these lists seems a bit silly to me when we also have the categories, which are also easier to maintain, but that's another issue for another day... -- Hawaiian717 21:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for removing the tag. As far as lists and categories are concerned, the lists can accept any typed entry, including companies that have no articles; whereas the categories of course consist only of companies with written articles. Furthermore, the lists are useful as a general study aid and as a reference for those who write articles about companies. --McTrixie 21:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

DoubleTwist Ventures

Hi, this was subject or prior AfD.Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 20:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Fashion blogs

Hang on Speedy Gonzales, don't delete the Fashion Blogs article!

In the Wikipedia entry on blog, there are links to Political Blogs, Travel Blogs and Law Blogs.

Fashion blogs have been around since 2001, and fashion bloggers as citizen journalists were invited to this year's New York Fashion Week. A Factiva search reveals newspaper reports on Fashion Blogs dating from 2002 in national mastheads such as NY Times and Washington Post.

This is a genuine cultural phenomenon and the author is compiling the research for the article.

You might not read fashion blogs, but millions of people around the world do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mercurius (talk • contribs) 12:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC-8) And here comes the signature ;) Mercurius 20:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Star Trek Article

Hawaiian717 you seem to be a good editor whith your heart in the right place; however, you seemed to push and your opionion with the deletion of the Han Solo example used in the article Star Trek: The Original Series. The paragraph was used as an example of why changing works of art are contraversial. There was nothing in the paragraph that was against Wikipedia standards or policies. Understand that the article is a Star Trek page but most Star Trek fans are familiar with Star Wars and the paragraph servered as a good example with familiar material. Please use discussion pages prior to such deletion actions so that we have a consensus. Thanks FrankWilliams 01:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

CheapTickets

Good work there, CheapTickets will certainly now avoid speedy deletion. If someone were to nominate it for deletion it might suffer for lack of a "first this," "third largest that" sort of flavour, just for completeness I say. I'm happy enough now to let eventualism work its magic, and I much appreciate the note. - brenneman 22:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Nesta Webster

Can you MOVE the above article to "Nesta H.Webster"?

She always used her middle name & so does the Library of Congress. --Ludvikus 15:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hawaiian and Aloha establishment date

I changed the establishment dates on these to be consistent with the way it is handled on the hundreds of other airlines articles. In the case of Hawaiian Airlines, Inter Island Airways was in fact established in 1929. It should have an article of its own detailing its work from 1929 until it became known as Hawaiian Airlines in 1941. The same goes for Trans Pacific Airlines (1946 establishment) and Aloha (1958). Perfectly logical and applied throughout the airlines area. Ardfern 18:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

on cogim

msnbc mentioned them in reporting on Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction's recent report about 10's of millions of dollars wasted in the reconstuction process. Rdjxrjn 19:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

did you try googling "cogim + iraq", "cogim + Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction". I don't care a whole lot------- if someone is compelled to delete, then so be it. GoesAround-ComesAround-KarateKid 20:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Please look at Talk:Cogim. Thanks. IWannWikYouLikeAnAnimal 19:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

You are so right about this! Thanks for catching that. The book has been cited wrong for a while, then; the ISBN I put in is numerically closer to what was there originally, but, yours is right for the actual book cited. Kind Regards, Keesiewonder talk 17:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah ... Is this the ISBN for the Round Two book? 0-9653993-2-2 If you're 100% certain it is correct, I know how to put it in so SmackBot does not complain about it. Let me know, and then you can see the "trick." Keesiewonder talk 17:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • The ISBN clean-up group has developed a tag for ISBNs such as this one that are reported as being invalid as published. They are invalid because their internal check digit does not pan out. But, since the publisher released the book with the number, many feel the ISBN is still useful. I've appended the ISBN you have for the book we've been talking about. I agree in this case, the OCLC is more useful. Inserting the invalid as published ISBN inside a tag like this {{Listed Invalid ISBN|0-9653993-2-2}} prevents SmackBot from complaining about this particular ISBN again in the future. If you don't want the ISBN displayed at all, you may, of course, remove it. If you like it, you can insert in in the other article that cites this same book. Hope this helps, Keesiewonder talk 18:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

ExpressJet start date at MRY

That's fine...it did look a little messy Sox23 01:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

US Airways fleet

If your going to keep the US Airways and America West fleet totals seperate you might want to remove the link that goes to US Airways current fleet. That information is misleading since it gives information for the combined airline —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daltnpapi4u (talk • contribs) 22:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Adding update Trek Images to the articles

To maintain the integrity of the original episode, please leave the original screenshot images in the article side bars intact. If you want to add a remastered image place under the "40th Anniversary" section of the article. Thank you. Cyberia23 00:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, you're not the one who did it. Sorry. Cyberia23 00:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

please stop giving me messages

you've already deleted the article, then why still give me messages about speedy deletion? please stop giving me messages unless there is a deeper reason for this.Tridungvo 20:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

still having those copyright-issues on my talk page makes me look bad. i have learned from my mistakes and don't intend on repeating them. i want to start with blank pages. Tridungvo 22:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

ok. leave it then. if that is how square things works. Tridungvo 01:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

thanks for notifying me. Tridungvo 15:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Why are you deleting edits to the airliners.net page?

If you think there are factual errors, please suggest revisions.

Perspectives you do not like are not grounds for deletion.

Planefan 21:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Localization of YDL

I agree that it was extremely subtle :) It really isn't a great picture for representating localization. I one were to ask Terra Soft for a better screen shot, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to supply one. -- Henriok 21:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Aloha Airlines

  • I added a number of fact tags to this article because it does not cite references for the material in the article - it is not attributable to a reliable source, which it must be as it states at the bottom of every Wiki edit page, otherwise it could just be opinion or even made up.Ardfern 19:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiPops

  • I added more information and beefed up the article. Thanks for your input and if there is anything that I can do to make the article better let me know. Pgrit154 19:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk page blanking

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Callsign format

Thanks for heads up - I have converted quite a lot of the callsigns to uppercase (a lot had been done already). I have put my rationale in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Airline Infobox. MilborneOne 20:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Tu-4 @ Monino

Here is text

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Central coast wine services

Didn't know how to leave a comment for you, please erase this after you have read it. I just finished redo-ing the Central Coast Wine Services page. I would be interested if that meets the criteria of no longer being advertising. --Mitamarine 17:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

l&l

wow thanks for taking that pic!!!71.142.87.194 08:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Flight Interntaional citations

Can't add much more than there is apart from page number. I am trying to amend and add refs for over 1600 airlines from the FI World Airlines Directory and life is too short for the full cite news (which is ok only for people making an occasional amendment - it should be made more uasable). Will amend Hawaiian Airlines accordingly. Ardfern 19:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Express

Just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate the addition of a "real" Chicago Express logo. Thanks again! Sox23 19:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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San Diego Route Maps

Frontier hasn't been turned down Mexico service so it's highly unlikely they will get turned down SAN - MZT. If they do get turned down then I'll fix the map. Sox23 20:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

If you really want me to I'll revert to the old map for now...what do you want me to do? Sox23 20:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I am using flightmemory to do the route maps but I haven't found a way to change the colors...there is a really good example on the Chicago Midway International Airport page but I've tried and tried to talk to that editor and they haven't done anything since December 2006...I'll just revert on the map itself until FFT gets approved. Sox23 20:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Need Help updating old Wikiproject Aviation stuff

Hello Hawaiian717, I think it is seriously time we start updating our old pages here at WikiProject Aviation. We need a new Collaboration of the month. Old Reviews need to be archived. And old Talk page comments need to be Archived. Feel free to help maintain Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation.Thanks Marcusmax 02:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


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The PR is in the article. Sox23 22:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay- will do. Thanks for the heads up! Sox23 00:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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What go! is

Hey Hawaiian.... I am just trying to help you out with your understanding of go! go! is Mesa Airlines. go! is not an airline and does not have and operating certificate while Mesas does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.26.148 (talk) 21:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Nesta Webster & Nesta H. Webster

Dear Wikipedian, You "fixed" the above once. However, what I want is to Move the Former into the Latter. Can you help? --Ludvikus 11:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Nesta Helen Webster

Upon re-examination, I find that it's the Full named that's preferred. So can you REDIRECT to that? Thanks. --Ludvikus 12:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. But I already knew that. I thought you were an Administrator. Can you recommend an Administrator for the required action? Or can you be more specific on how I may find one? Thanks. --Ludvikus 16:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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Thai Airways International fleet

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XJet/LGB

Shoot I though I made a new airlines/destinations section. I put XJet there as a "holding" category and completely forgot to move it over...thanks for catching that- I'll fix it now. Sox23 22:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

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Hawaiian Vacations

What's really funny is that I didn't find "Hawaiian Airlines" anywhere in the company's page... hmm... WhisperToMe 02:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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Why?

I see you have read my artical and i dont know why you people have to act like this because it is not nonsense i am eric moore so i think i know what i did and if you dont belive it then to bad thats your problem not mine and besides you cant prove its rong but anyways this is the exact reason i put you people here. so leave it delete not my problem your the one stuck in a horrible repetive life on this planet not me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superericmoore (talk • contribs) 16:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC-8)

can you prove it wrong...no and as if you have contributied so much USFUL information about somthing IMPORTENT. information is about expanding your understanding of the universe its about questioning the veary existence of it. So you rather belive that all life came from NOTHING rather than was moved from a differnt soler system. do you have any idea about how much of science is theries and cant be proved, nonsense is a matter of opinion in this subject. The big bang theory is nonsense to me do you see me deleting it of course not because i respect the thought it produces besides its not hurting anyone. and besides if infinty does exist then the situation i wrote did happen(think about it) so it may not be true here in this dimintion or galexy but is somewhere else. also it is not your problem the article never hurt you and it never will it might be wikipedias problem but not yours so dont worry about it, and what you where doing suching eric moore i can only guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superericmoore (talk • contribs) 01:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Wikiproject Airlines

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Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeadSongDog (talk • contribs) 18:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

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Air Greenland and Miami Air International

Are you sure that their IATA code are both GL? I have thought that an IATA code can't be assigned twice. I checked on http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/airlcoderes.asp and it says that GL is only assigned to Air Greenland. And yet I look at another site http://www.airtimetable.com/IATA_airline_codes.asp and it says that, indeed, you are right. It frankly puzzels me. Before you know it DL will belong to another airline! Lol! -RokinRyan

I couldn't find Miami Air either, and it makes sense why they would both use GL. And I wonder, what would they do if Miami Air started scheduled service? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RokinRyan (talk • contribs) 20:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Personally I do not know how to make it into a template form

Additonally to find out the information that I have listed one would have to click into 40 different links. This needs to be kept simple so. Additionally it is talking about holding company history so I will be replaciing the information onto Trans World Corporation until someone seems fit to assit with creating a template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.26.146 (talk) 17:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Going to mention too

when you create a new template, you may want to include the IATA two letter codes, because as you are probably aware airlines change their names at the drop of a hat. However the TWO Letter IATA codes are a lot harder to change... airlines really have screw up like they did in the Pan Am Systems case.

For historians it is far easier to trace an airlines history by IATA code some times rather then by the name. 63.215.26.146 (talk) 02:42, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Note the DOT assigns two letter codes too for example Hooters Air, when it was operating scheduled charters under its own brand used a two letter DOT code rather then the true IATA code of Pace airlines whose planes it was outsourced from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.26.146 (talk) 02:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC) 63.215.26.146 (talk) 02:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Where Silence Has Lease

Thanks for your comment of November - sorry it's taken me so long to reply. I had planned to edit the entry down to get it within standard guidelines, but work and real life conspired to stop me. I will be working on it in the near future, however, unless someone else has already started to do so. Thanks! --Vortex (talk) 14:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)