Talk:Haun's Mill massacre

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Contents 1 New citations 2 Latter-day Saint vs Latter Day Saint movement 3 Mormon War Template 4 Incidents involving the Livingston County Cannon 5 Vandalism to Hauns Mill Sign

[edit] New citations

I added more info and citations for most of the existing info, reorganized into sections, and removed the unreferenced tag. There are still a couple of statements that need citations.

The thing is, most of the citations I added come from the same place, an account written by Joseph Young, quoted and referenced by Alvin R. Dyer in "The Refiner's Fire". I haven't verified this particular reference, I don't know if this is acceptable or not.74s181 00:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Latter-day Saint vs Latter Day Saint movement

Note to editors, this article is about an event in the history of the Latter Day Saint movement, a common history shared by all churches that trace their history back to Joseph Smith, Jr.. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is one of these churches, but it is not the only one.

The church organized by Joseph Smith, Jr. went thru several name changes prior to his death, and the consensus of the Wikipedia community is to refer to the church he organized and all successor churches as the Latter Day Saint movement, so please do not change occurences of "Latter Day Saint" to "Latter-day Saint", or occurrences of Latter Day Saint movement to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Thank you. 74s181 12:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon War Template

The massacre is part of the overall Mormon War to evict the Mormons from Missouri and should not be deleted from this article. The massacre was a big factor in the surrender of Joseph Smith, Jr. shortly after the massacre. Every single history of the Mormon War in Missouri includes the Haun's Mill massacre. Americasroof 22:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incidents involving the Livingston County Cannon

The following information was reverted because it was not referenced and inappropriately capitalized. In doing a spot google check on it, I think the information was a good faith effort and the information supplied here is probably accurate. Here's a Livingston County account The cannon issue raises some interesting aspects. The cannon is mentioned in the article. I think the comment about sheriff of Livingston County would be more logical than sheriff of Caldwell County since Caldwell was intended to be the Mormon county. Anyway below is the information that was just deleted. Americasroof 02:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

jENNINGS RECIEVED THE EXTERMINATION ORDER AT WOOLSEY FARM BY RUNNER JOHNATHAN J DRYDEN, ACORDING TO BOGGS'S LETTER. DRYDEN WAS ON HIS WAY TO FARWEST AND GEN. CLARK.

dANIEL aSHBY WAS STATE LEGISLATOR, NOT CHARLES.

Jennings was Sheriff of Chilicothe, Livingston Coyunty, not cALDWELL

Jennings was sherriff of Chillicothe. His county cannon had been stolen by the mormnons on Oct 21, 1838.

Yes, I'm the one who reverted it for the reasons stated. I don't object to it being included, as long as someone takes the time to properly incorporate it into the article. I figured that it was better to remove it and let someone fix it later. Are you volunteering to do this? — Val42 02:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I hope there was no perception that I was anyway slamming the revert. It had to be done. I just wanted to save the info to review because I think it is all legitimate and adds a lot to the story. If we can confirm that Jennings received the extermination order prior to the attack that is pretty much a smoking gun for a cause/effect. I've never seen a formal explanation on the Missouri side on why Hauns Mill was attacked. The cannon poses interesting questions. The history I mentioned earlier says it came from DeWitt (which I believe was a Mormon settlement). It was captured by the Missourians and then recaptured by the Mormons. There were two Ashbys in the Missouri General Assembly at this time. Charles was from Livingston County (and so that explains why he is confused in histories with Daniel who was also from northern Missouri. I will try to make some of the edits if I can get to it. The Missouri Secretary of State office has a lot of first hand official letters about the event (and is probably the source for the above). I have to find the link again. Americasroof 13:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism to Hauns Mill Sign

Thanks for the photo of the marker showing the history of Haun's Mill which was shot on Aug 4, 2006. My overview of the site shot on September 10, 2007 shows a stump where the sign was. Haun's Mill is out in the middle of a very rural area. It's a shame it was vandalized.Americasroof 20:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)