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[edit] Season 4 Rumor

I heard from a number of sources that she will be in season 4/30 as a dalek? A good one about is http://www.sylvestermccoy.com/newdoctorwho/ on the right hand side somewhere? - Alpha123 (talk) 00:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)Alpha123

I've removed that information from the article as i feel it fails WP:Crystal. Please do not re-add it until there has been a discussion here. Thank you TheProf | Talk 00:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vote of no confidence???

At the end of The Christmas Invasion, it was implied that Harriet Jones was brought down by a vote of no confidence. This is inconsistent to what she said earlier in the episode when she said she had won the election by a landslide majority. For her to lose the vote of no confidence a large number of people from her own ranks would have to cross the floor to the Opposition to bring her down. A defection on that scale just does not happen in political reality. --The Shadow Treasurer 06:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

One of the reporters suggested a vote of no confidence the day after the whispering campaign began, but there is nothing in the series to suggest this is what happened. Presumably a demise similar to that of Margaret Thatcher, who is alluded, occurred.

Yes but Margaret Thatcher was bought down by a party not a parliamentary vote. It would have been more plausible for Harriet to have lost a party vote than a parliamentary vote. --The Shadow Treasurer 02:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I probably shouldn't

I'm tempted to add one of my sites, the Harriet Jones fanlisting [1] but I'm unsure if I should or not. I mean as I am the site owner it could be taken as a vanity edit couldn't it? What do other people think? GracieLizzie 11:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Your fan site needs upgrading first. Oh yeah and by the way you're supporting the wrong team. But I have a question of my own: isn't she "The Right Honourable" Harriet Jones? ☺ APclark Be nice not nasty 17:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Probably, but she's not been heard as being referred to as that in the series (yet). She really should be the Right Honourable Harriet Jones, PC, MP, but I don't think we should place that in until it's officially mentioned. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 18:29, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think she'd be PC (she's not a peer). I'd imagine her proper title would just be The Right Honourable Harriet Jones, MP. I'm not even sure MP would be used. No articles about real politicians use the title, and I don't see why this would be different. smurrayinchester Merry Christmas!(User), (Go Carolling) 21:20, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
As Prime Minister, she'd be part of the Privy Council (peer or not), so she'd be entitled to have the letters after her name, although it's not often used. But as you said, this is really nitpicking. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:42, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
No, she wouldn't. The letters are only for peers. Proteus (Talk) 12:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Seriously, do a Google search for "The Right Honourable Tony Blair PC MP". --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't care what Google says. Anyone writing "The Right Honourable Tony Blair PC MP" is objectively wrong. Proteus (Talk) 12:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Could you provide a source that says the letters are only for peers? I ask this as an honest question. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Debrett's Correct Form, for one, and pretty much every book on correct form ever written. It's hardly a controvertial point... Proteus (Talk) 12:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Also, Privy Council of the United Kingdom#Rights and privileges of members states that only peers who are members get PC; commoners do not. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 13:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Isn't this going off the subject just a tiny bit? ☺ APclark Be nice not nasty 17:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Bias?

I know there are conventions in British TV but does it really matter what party she may or may not be a memeber of? I know the initial episodes made reference to the 45 minutes claims and may merit a trivia mention but probably not the main article. The suposition she is a Labour MP seems a bit of a stretch IMHO. User:Alex

I think that the "babes" reference is an interesting one and worth mentioning, as well as stating the uncertainty appropriately. It wouldn't be appropriate to introduce the article by calling her a "fictional Labour MP", but I think the note as it is in the article is fine. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
The comment "I'm hardly one of the babes" could be interpreted either way (she might not consider herself one simply because she's not of the same party), so saying it indicates that she's a Labour MP is potentially misleading. Her swift emergence as the new Prime Minister indicates that she is affiliated with a major political party, potentially the existing one, but there is no indication which party that was on the "Doctor Who" earth (or indeed whether they have the traditional political parties there; they might have completely different names and identities, much like its politicians have different names and identities). User:MultipleTom
I wouldn't say it's biased, but I certainly got the impression that she was implying she was not a Labour party politician and was surprised to see only one possible conclusion from the phrase in the article. I've tweaked the paragraph to show both possiblities. SynergyBlades 17:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC).


[edit] Dating Jones' prime ministership

We first saw her in March 2006 (Aliens In London and World War Three) and although we don't know exactly when she became P.M., it can't have been very long after World War Three ended, because Britain needed a P.M. By December 2006 in The Christmas Invasion, she had the job and seemed relaxed in it, strongly inferring she hadn't gained it only that month or so. Various tie-in sites, including her own Flydale North one infer she was P.M. through Sunny parts of 2007, so up to at least May 2007, which is 18 months prior to The Sound of Drums, which is October 2008 as per calendars and uniform-collection posters in Smith and Jones and Last of the Time Lords. The Sound of Drums confirms Harold Saxon became P.M. in October 2008, so infers there was a P.M. between Jones and Saxon. This may be Gordon Brown, or someone else! With Saxon now dead, Jones may or may not become P.M. again. Maybe Brown will. Or maybe some entirely new person will....

Isn't the Flydale North site a fan-made one and not sanctioned by the BBC? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.48.236 (talk) 17:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I have removed this link from the article as the URL is dead. If that turns out to be a temporary condition, it can be put back: Fan-made site for the fictional Flydale North constituency. -- Davidkevin 09:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

If the rumours about Journey's End are correct, she's been converted by the Daleks (using stolen Cyberman tech?). So she won't be PM again. Digifiend (talk) 09:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Does it matter, with respect to improving the article? ╟─TreasuryTag (talk ╬ contribs)─╢ 09:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Series 4 return

Can I just point out that the CBBC reference for her return does not state that she is in episode 13 86.154.185.86 (talk) 16:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It says she's at the end of the series. Clearly the climactic episode 13 :-) ╟─TreasuryTag (talk ╬ contribs)─╢ 17:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)