Talk:Guo Kan
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Since a large part of the article is devoted to an autobiography which is false, it should be eliminated. Discussion anyone?old windy bear 19:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the completely false claims about the exploits of Guo Kan. They simply misled people who did not know better, and diminished his very real accomplishments. old windy bear 02:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Hospitallier Citing as to Guo Kan's opposition to Kitbacqu Noyan must be provided, since that is a disputed claim, (attempting to save face for him for a lousy military decision to leave insufficient troops to handle the Mamluks), also the statement that any actions attributed to Guo Kan after 1259 since he reported to Mongke Khan in Mongolia is especially ridiculous, since Mongke Khan was dead, killed in China that year, prior to Guo Kan's departing the Middle East with the main army in Hulagu's return to seek power! They returned precisely because of Mongke Khan's death, and the necessity to select a new Great Khan, a position his brother wanted and was eligible for. In addition, you stated Guo Kan destroyed the Assassins in battle, another incredibly wrong fact. They surrendered without a fight at all to Hulagu, fearful of his terrible reputation. Your facts are not just wrong, but extremely wrong. Where is your proof that the autobiography was intended as Mongol Propaganda? It is not remmebered in Mongolian history, but in Chinese! You have to cite sources for these outrageous claims. You also destroyed much of the citing in your edits. Please stick to facts, and do not destroy the citing, which takes time to prepare and insert.old windy bear 11:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I did delete some of that specific posts because of the assumption there are various crusader outposts in the region that are conquered by the Mongols notably Syria, where many of the crusader churches still stand today.
There also stated in those citings that Guo had suffered serious defeat but there is not evidences that he did suffered a defeat in battles that he participated.
As for the destruction of the assassin sect, these links provided support that Guo did destroyed the Hassassin sect.
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:1x0wJiIRhttp://www.insteadof.com/TerrorAttack/p19.htm 4GkJ:www.uglychinese.org/mongol.htm+Guo+Kan+assassin&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=1 http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:4-tNS0xxiucJ:www.iranian.com/History/2002/November/Mongol/index.html+kuo+kan+Mongol&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=3
There are some other sites in Japanese and Chinese, but since not many people can read them, i don't want to post them unless asked. Hospitallier
