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[edit] Blatant plagiarism
This page is pulled almost directly from the Catholic Encyclopedia on-line. I'm doing research on the guarani (using actual books instead of religiously charged websites) so I can contribute something a little more accurate later on, but in the meantime, is blatant copy-pasting permitable for a wiki entry?
- The Catholic Encyclopedia is in the Public domain, so it's ok. (It's not ok to copy & paste copyrighted material into Wikipedia articles.) However, the Catholic Encyclopedia is biased and out of date, so it would be great if you could help contribute to this article. Thanks. --Hottentot 22:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Guaranís today
How come does an article on the Guaraní fails to mention the Guaranís today?
[edit] Comments
overall, I enjoyed this article. informative on many points, but it reads like a novel; screaming savages, noble warrior priests saving the peaceful converts from the evil invaders. Simply put, good info, but too heavy on the melodrama for an encyclopedia article. That said, I don't know enough to clean it up, so I kind of feel weak just moaning about it. Oh well. Nice job though
[edit] A little biased?
I too found this article to be a little biased. While quite informative it uses inaccurate words like "Indians" and subjective word choices like "souls" as opposed to more neutral choices like "lives". It reads like a journal entry by a colonial era missionary, or perhaps a novel, like previously suggested.
I'm really new to wiki type things in general though so I don't feel comfortable making changes, but perhaps someone who is more familiar with such things will come along and see these concerns.
A little Biased? The phrase: "It is estimated that two million Native Americans were slain or enslaved by these Brazilian slave-hunters during 130 years" is biased, as Brazilians weren't the only slave-hunters, being that thousands upon thousands of slaves were coming from Africa to Brazil. There was probably more Amerindian enslavement in the Spanish colonies then in Brazil as the Spanish Empire spanned all throughout the Americas, while Portugal only occupied what was a small section of Brazil, and sections of Africa. Maybe the phrase might seem a little less offensive to us Brazilians if it was rewritten replacing "Brazilian" slave hunters to "Pirates" or "outlaws", as Sao Paulo and Rio were major Pirate locations.
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- I rephrased a bit the 'problematic' sentence. Please, add a comment on the Edit summary if you leave a message on the talk page regarding your edits. I reverted your edits because I didn't know about your message. Mariano(t/c) 06:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I think the language related to murdering the Jesuits in the Uruguay seems a bit biased, as well. It's a point of view that has only one side to it. We can't presume that it was murder or that the tribes were "wild" because the ability to study these tribes first hand has long since passed and their motives were probably never considered by the Jesuits, much less the Catholic Church. Lucid green 22:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spelling
The article on the language is Guaraní language. Should this article be moved to Guaraní? Gdr 08:36:27, 2005-08-23 (UTC)
- Acording to the Name Convetion, both should be without the accent, but in practice this is often not true. As long as there's a REDIRECT, I don't really care much. -Mariano 10:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Also, shouldn't Guarani be spelled without the accent? According to portuguese spelling rules, oxytones ending with 'i' should not be accentuated. - airstrike 02:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- The spelling with an accent is Spanish. Most Guarani speakers live in Spanish-speaking countries.
- I would still support losing the accent, though, but only because this is the English Wikipedia, and accents are avoided in English. FilipeS (talk) 21:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bias
This article requires extensive re-writing to remove author's bias, common statements of "fact" without citation, frequent hyperbole, and extensive use of quotations from similar work in place of original writing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.27.80.14 (talk • contribs) {brought from article by Mariano(t/c) 11:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)}
[edit] Cleanup
I'm working on cleaning this article up by sourcing it where appropriate and making an attempt to clean up the bias and hyperbole mentioned previously. There's a lot of good information here but it looks like the article is largely a cut-and-paste from the Catholic Encyclopedia. Working on finding more sources to provide a better balance to the article, too. It's taking some time though, so bear with me if I make mistakes in the process :) Arkyan 18:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've also noticed the Jesuit Missions section is HUGE, and far larger than the main article. It's going to need a lot of pruning ... Arkyan 18:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Make sure to move/merge important parts to Jesuit Reductions or perhaps Mission (Christian). --Mariano(t/c) 20:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Most of it will go to Jesuit Reductions, at least insofar as there is no overlap. Arkyan 20:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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