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[edit] Colours the wrong way round

EPO made white the home kit after euro 2004 Reaper7 20:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too partisan

Does anyone else find the Euro 2004 section in particular to be much too partisan in its depiction of the tournament? I know this is the Greece national team's page, but that shouldnt exempt it from neutrality. Also, the use of the word "tragedy" in the World Cup 2006 qualifiers section seems too biased. Blinutne 20:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Globally, it was branded as a tragedy (even here in Australia the papers where saying tragedy).

For this reason I think it is not bias at all... --Giorgos 16:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greece as favourites

I suggest the sentence about Greece being favourites in their group is removed. Most papers I've read have suggested Norway and Turkey as the two main contenders. At any rate, saying that one team is a favourite without some strong evidence is not NPOV.

There is no mention of thier loss to England or new players being added to the squad. Maybe add that into the article. Heraklis 07:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I wonder where the data came from. When looking at the Euro2004 page I see that the greeks lost to Russia with 1 to 0, but still the article claims that they won all the matches in the tournament. Furthermore Greece didnt play Holland in the tournament —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.145.139.131 (talk) 17:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Someone is constantly posting these so called memorable Greek matches from the past

In fact most of them are just casual wins like against Finland or against Faroe Islands Malta or casual draws against Denmark or Croatia for example.As a result the page is getting too long with this unnecessary information . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.207.254.178 (talk) 18:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

And what's wrong with this section exactly? And why is it unnecessary? - Sthenel 18:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


As i said the majority of these matches AREN'T WORTH REMEMBERING.How on earth can a win against Malta or against Faroe Islands be memorable,or a draw against Denmark,Ukraine and Croatia;;;;;;

This list(in order to have a meaning) should be definitely shortened.I did it a couple of times in the past but every time a genius had it reverted to it's prior state. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.207.253.53 (talk) 17:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

A 4-0 or 5-0 win against Malta or Faroe should be included in the biggest ever wins of Greece. Away draws against Denmark, Croatia and Ukraine are mentioned because at that period the above teams were very strong. Denmark was 4th in the EURO 1964, Croatia made it to the 3rd place of the World Cup 1998 and Ukraine was extremely strong during the WC 2006 and its qualification. - Sthenel 00:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

You are out of your mind and you get this page too long with unnecessary information in the process.I revert and i am going to revert it as many times as it is needed.

First of all don't threaten me. In case you think that you are allowed to work in this way, you are wrong. Secondly, the biggest wins will be included in a separate box. - Sthenel 21:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't threaten you or anybody.We must put this page in proper order.If you want to paste let's say the 5 biggest wins of Greece do it.But memorable games are the one's i left in the box.I don't want to argue.I want to make this page better and i am sure you want that too.So let's do it.

[edit] Updates to article

The history section needs to be upadated. Greece's Euro 2008 campaign is almost halfway gone and the latest information is from October 2006. I wrote a neat paragraph and upadated it after Greece's 4-1 loss to Turkey but it was reverted for some reason.

Can someone explain why updates and latest Euro 2008 information is being reverted?

Thedefenceman 23:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Table of current results

In my opinion this table is needless. First of all, there is no need to put such a table in a national team's article, coz in this way we should move all the results of the qualifyings into the teams' articles. The second reason is that the article about the group of Greece, provides much more information. Plus, the table is too long. - Sthenel 09:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Should it Not Be 'Greek' National Football Team?

Greece national football team is bad english and more people will use and recognise the proper english wording; 'Greek National Football Team.' I support a change to Greek.

  • Support Reaper7 11:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

== Guys can anyone find the excact crest appearing on the jerseys? This one shown in the page is not the original and I believe is quite ugly.I think we should place HFF's crest in the page (as it happens in other National Team's page) until we find the original one.Could anyone try to contact HFF and ask for a high resolution crest which appears on the jerseys?

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MetroStar (talk • contribs) 13:33, August 21, 2007 (UTC).


[edit] Nickname

Is it really The Pirate ship ;; .Ok Helakis said it in his radio broadcast of Euro 2004 but i don't think that is really a nickname.I have never heard anyone calling the team in such a way since the tournament.I think we shall delete it but if anyone disagrees please tell me your reasons and then we shall decide.Eagle of Pontus 08:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

It is true that nobody calls the team Peiratiko (The Pirate Ship), but I don't know if we should delete it. This nickname is closely associated with the team and the great success in Portugal. - Sthenel 11:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Making sth clear

I deleted 4 games from the memorable ones because they don't correspond to the title.For example a 0-0 can't be a memorable match simple as that unless you play against Brazil(and not Yugoslavia).Secondly however flattering the 1-1 draw with France may sound we had lost 7-1 in France already so the 1-1 is a fluke.Also 1-1 in Moscow against Russia or in Bucharest against Romania can't be memorable match guys.Any objections;;;More than glad to hear if there are any.Eagle of Pontus 06:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The table I had made at the beginning, included much more matches. Each one was selected for a reason. Many of them were deleted, obviously they shouldn't be among the most memorable because we don't remeber that Greece was not at the current level, and a 1-1 to Yugoslavia was an extreme success for them 40 years ago. Or a draw with Romania was a great achievement because Romanians were a strong team with great success at that period. - Sthenel 07:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tables (records)

I made them more simple and more correct i think.Cauze there was a 13 number or sth under GP(=Games played) and other things that didn't make sense.In a competition we need to know how far we got how many games played how many wins draws losses and the goal differential.Am i right; —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eagle of Pontus (talk • contribs) 06:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Much better - Sthenel 07:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bosnia-Greece 0-4

Is this match worth to be included in the memorable matches of Greece? - Sthenel 05:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so.Bosnia isn't a strong team now and that match didn't decide anything in the qualifing..I had put Hungary match simply because it guaranteed us a place in the WC 1994 and was an away win(sth rare for our team).Both teams were almost equal back then.Eagle of Pontus 17:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

What is more memorable Norway-Greece 2-2 or Bosnia-Greece 0-4? one of them should be added I vote for Bosnia since Greece does not score frequently and away so many goals

Macedonius 20:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that the match in Norway can be considered memorable. It was a good result though. An away 1-0 win in Hungary is not anything special. We should take into account how strong the opponent was at that time. It would be different if Greece win in Hungary 0-4, like they did in Bosnia. A 0-4 away win is not such a usual result for Greece, especially when it comes against teams which are not as weak as Malta, San Marino, Faroe Islands etc. I agree with the game Slovenia-Greece 0-3, having in my mind that Slovenia was a quite strong team which finished ahead of Greece. - Sthenel 20:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Bosnia is in the same group with Slovenia,Scotland,Ireland,Belgium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2008_qualifying#Seedings and beat Turkey 3-2 Macedonius 06:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with adding the Slovenia game because they had already qualified for Euro 2000 and we had already be eliminated.Also disagree with Brazil game because it was just a friendly and with Bosnia for the reasons i added previously.OK if you don't agree Hungary game,it shall be left out(but it was the first and only time we went to a WC and that win quaranted us so.But anyway maybe you are right). Eagle of Pontus 11:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I should make clear that when we talk about memorable matches, we mean great results against strong opponents and large wins like that in Bosnia, not games which gave to us a qualification or anything else. - Sthenel 11:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Memorable match is a match worth remebering.If it gained you a qualifiquation unprecedented in your history is much more memorable than winning Ivory Coast 19-0 in a friendly or either Bosnia or Slovenia 1-6 in matches that had nothing at stake.Eagle of Pontus 13:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I made this section and the table, and I wanted to present the best results Greece has acvieved. Nothing else. This is what tables are used for. What you described above doesn't need tables, but it can be described in particular sections in the article. - Sthenel 16:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BRAZIL - GREECE 0-0 (April 28,1974) in Maracanã,Rio de Janeiro

This friendly match is memorable

Recently Turkey managed 0-0 against Brazil in a friendly match and they have it in the table Macedonius 06:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course it is memorable but the table is only for competitive matches, not friendlies. We could have a new section with some memorable friendlies. - Sthenel 06:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World Cup record section should be limited

only in the tournaments Greece took part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece_national_football_team#World_Cup_record

Macedonius 06:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

All the articles of the strong national teams, include all the tournaments not only those in which they took part. - Sthenel 06:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Because they have taken part more than one WC or three Euros Anyway,in case the page is being long,I think that it should be limited Macedonius 09:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at Portugal national football team, Hungary national football team or Netherlands national football team. They include all the tournaments. There is no instruction not to add them. It's better to present full data. - Sthenel 09:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Stenhel.The table is informative and necessary to any page of any national team.What's you problem really;If it's not included then Greece miraculously won't have progressed to just one WC but to more;;Eagle of Pontus 08:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Greece National Crest.jpg

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BetacommandBot 11:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kits

I changed the kits to the new ones..just released and used in the Malta game....what you guys think..? The-real-zeus (talk) 00:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

They are very goog, if they are the real new kits. - Sthenel (talk) 06:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guys

I improved a lot the section by rewriting and i must say sth.The article needs to be as more summarizing as it gets.You can't write 6 lines for every game nor can you write a whole chunk of information about the position of Greek team in rankings almost after 3- or 4 games.Only important milestones should be noted.Do you like it now;If not please tell me which particular part you didn't Eagle of Pontus (talk) 15:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Good work! I only corrected some minor mistakes. - Sthenel (talk) 19:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why;

Trophy case looks horrible in my opinion.And i don't see a reason why Balkan Cup and European Cup must be separated.They are both sporting tournaments.Eagle of Pontus (talk) 09:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

In the trophy case the Balkan Cup shouldn't be included at all as Greece didn't win it. It's not a title but it can be mentioned as a honor. - Sthenel (talk) 09:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

OK erase it.I don't disagree with that. Eagle of Pontus (talk) 09:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

No, we can have it under the title other honors - Sthenel (talk) 09:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

But isn't a honor at all. Eagle of Pontus (talk) 09:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok but the Laureus is a honor and it should be listed as a honor. The sections in all the national team pages is titled Trophy case, so we shouldn't change it. - Sthenel (talk) 09:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article

I think that's a very good article.Shall be nominated?I don't think it's start class as it says here.What do you think? Eagle of Pontus (talk) 13:24, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd say its a strong B class at the moment, managerial statistics could be a good addition and maybe some more free pics? - S.Azzopardi (talk) 10:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greece Temperlate, Tactics and Golden Player

Why were my additions (especially the temperlate) deleted?MetroStar (talk) 11:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)