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[edit] Progressive rock

In the Progressive Rock page, there's a mention of whether the band should be considered Progressive Rock. Seeing as it includes many of the same conventions, should it be? -Anonymous

[edit] Band image

Image request was successful! Thank you, Tothebarricades.tk --Paulo Oliveira 00:13, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I'd love to have an image of them performing. Could such photographs qualify as fair use? --Tothebarricades.tk 19:45, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Yes. = ∫tc 5th Eye 18:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Label

The band released its early work on the Kranky record label, but joined Constellation Records after their original contract ran out.

Are we sure this is correct? I thought that their vinyl releases were on Constellation and their CDs on Kranky (I'm pretty sure this is the case with f# and Slow Riot at least). --Camembert

You're right. The earlier albums were released as CDs on Kranky and LPs on Constellation; both the LP and the CD of Yanqui U.X.O were produced by Constellation alone. I'll fix it. --No-One Jones 13:07, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The Constellation catalogue will confirm this (and why I didn't check it beforehand, I don't know.) --No-One Jones 13:10, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Romanization

Buraku Empororu — this romanization turns up quite a few hits on Google but it is bogus. The original documentary title was "ゴッド・スピード・ユー! BLACK EMPEROR," which could be romanized as "God Speed You! Black Emperor." A romanization that reflected the Japanese pronunciation would be "Goddo Supīdo Yū! Burakku Emperā."--Tokek 00:04, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] formerly known as Godspeed You Black Emperor!

"(formerly known as Godspeed You Black Emperor!)"

Were they? (or were? they) -- I thought that moving the ! to the very end was something that the fans did unofficially. When/why would they change their band name (or rather punctuation), if they ever did? --69.214.227.51 06:32, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't know why they'd do it, but the covers of my vinyl copies of f#a#∞ and the Slow Riot EP both say "Godspeed You Black Emperor!". --Camembert
AFAICT, they were Godspeed You Black Emperor! for all their releases before Yanqui U.X.O., which was the first release as Godspeed You! Black Emperor. It may be that was just a fleeting thing, and it may be changed back, or they may change it again (see A Silver Mt. Zion). sjorford →•← 12:26, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
They talked to the director of the film before the release of Yanqui UXO and discovered that they had translated it wrong. So it's not an aesthetic change like Silver Mt. Zion's name changes; the exclamation point is supposed to be after "You". --Tothebarricades.tk 20:09, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

well, if you really want to be technical, there should be no capitalization. godspeed you black emperor! now godspeed you! black emperor ...

[edit] Side Projects

Is it really fair to call all of those bands side projects? Some of these bands may share members with Godspeed, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're second-bannanas. I think that a better term would be "Related Projects" or "Related Bands." I'm going to change it unless anyone has any problems with it.Timothyreal 20:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I added the usage of East Hastings in two movie trailers, which incidentally are used one after the other in the previews for The Bourne Ultimatum, which is where I noticed. It was funny, I noticed the use of GYBE in Death Sentence, and thought it was cool, and then a minute later the same exact song, and part of the song, in Beowulf. Anyways, if anyone could source it that would be great, otherwise feel free to remove it, I just thought it was an interesting tidbit. Aldrenean 19:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should this page have a link to long song titles like this?

==See also==

  • List of songs with particularly long titles

- Gbeeker 01:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] F♯A♯∞

The title of this album is listed with both letters capitalized at cstrecords.com and at AMG. What is the source for spelling it with lowercase 'a' and 'f'? --G0zer 03:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I've got the vinyl release here right in front of of me and there are no capital letters at all. 194.97.112.69 21:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC) (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Klotzambein)

It is common practice to write music notes in capital letters. However, it is gybe's common practice (at least on their album sleeves) to use lower case letters for virtually every song/album title. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 23:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Also see WP:NC#Album titles and band names. The band name is all lowercase on the vinyl sleeve as well. This implies that the lowercasing of the album title is stylistic, which should not carry over to Wikipedia. Note though a comment in the edit history for the album article saying that sharp symbols show up as boxes on Windows XP. Depending on how prevalent that problem is, I think the name should be either "F♯A♯∞" or "F#A#∞". --PEJL 06:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
WP:MUSTARD#Formatting says to use a sharp symbols (♯) rather than number signs (#), so I think we can assume the former aren't too problematic. I'm going to move the album to F♯A♯∞. --PEJL 00:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Turns out it can't be moved easily, so punting on this for now. --PEJL 00:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I forgot to mention here that I did finally move the article (by listing it at WP:RM). --PEJL 00:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Politics

This article makes no reference to the political views Godspeed You! Black Emperor addresses in various songs. —User:Christopher Mann McKay 20:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It used to. I'm going to restore a mention of their anarchistic political beliefs, since there was no valid reason for it to be removed and it's an important component of their music. Cassandra Leo 21:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 28 Days Later

Shouldn't somebody include that Sad Mafioso was used in 28 Days Later? A lot of people got into them because of that. It would also give a chance to clear up wild rumors some people have like GY!BE having anything to do with 28 Weeks Later.

That is mentioned in f♯a♯∞. If you think it should be in this article too, why don't you add it? − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 10:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] East Hastings

I just checked to see if East Hastings had been used in the trailers for Beowulf and Death Sentence, and they haven't been. In The House - In A Heartbeat by John Howard has been used. Do these trailers with East Hastings actually exist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.53.235 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC).

No. That was just confusion on someone's part. = ∫tc 5th Eye 15:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

So shall I remove the reference to East Hastings being used in the trailers for Beowulf and Death Sentence? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.53.235 (talk • contribs).

Someone ought to. = ∫tc 5th Eye 15:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Former Members

Since the band is no longer together, shouldn't something be done about the "former members" part? Technically, they're all "former" members of this band now. What should be done? Jkdeadite (talk) 20:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Good question. I would've thought to move everyone under "former members" but a similar example, The Beatles, lists the most recent lineup as "Members" and members who didn't make it to the end as "Former members". There is probably a standard written somewhere. —Wknight94 (talk) 20:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Possibly something along the line of "Final Line-up" may be in order to distinguish between the last members and the members that left before the split? Vicissitudo (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with that, but keeping the former members section. Either way, I've thought about it, and it sort of "immortalizes the final lineup" as a friend of mine says. It makes sense.Jkdeadite (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I have to say that I was under the impression that Efrim's comments were more final than they actually appear to be now that I've read them carefully. I'm beginning to think that maybe we've been a bit premature in announcing them finished. “I think that bands do have a short shelf life… they should be able to ply their trade ‘til they no longer want to.” seems to be closest he gets to saying they've split. I mean, I'm pretty certain that this means they're finished but officially I don't think they've split up just yet. If they have split up then I'm all for the inclusion of a final line-up heading. Vicissitudo (talk) 13:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tiny Silver Hammers EP

I'm removing Tiny Silver Hammers from the list of releases. It most certainly was never released, even if it is in common circulation on the web. It shouldn't be on the list of releases.Jkdeadite (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. I see it has been changed since I wrote that comment!  :) Jkdeadite (talk) 22:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

according to this [1] "Tiny Silver Hammers" is earler title of the track "Motherfucker=Redeemer"

[edit] February 9th, 2008 Drowned In Sound Article

The article states that Efrim says the band is "hugely unlikely to ever return to record-releasing or touring ways", however there is no direct confirmation of disbandment. This should be clearly noted in the Wikipedia article and the "years active" entry should be changed back to including "currently on indefinite hiatus" until further confirmation is given. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.84.28 (talk) 02:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

A little pedantic I know, but the interview was published on the 8th Feb, not 9th :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.195.150 (talk) 13:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


If I may, Pitchfork announced this morning that this "disbandment" is not permanent:

When contacted by Pitchfork, Menuck gave the following statement via Silver Mt. Zion's publicist:

"The Drowned in Sound thing is a misquote, I'm in the middle of dealing with it now. It's true, Godspeed hasn't existed for years, we've been on permanent hiatus since 2002. If and when we do call it quits permanently, it won't be because of the Iraq war."

  • [2]Epimetheus81 (talk) 16:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I was just about to post this, makes all the changes made to the page since the 8th void IMHO. Vicissitudo (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vocals

Should Efrim be credited in the band member section with doing vocals? He sings a section of the guitar melody in East Hastings (just after 8:30 on the CD version) and I think that is worthy of a mention in the band member section. What are peoples thoughts on this? If no-one has any objections I will add "Vocals" to Efrims name in the band member section. Vicissitudo (talk) 13:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

There's more than 1 person singing there, I'm pretty sure. Also, in Sleep around minute 14-15, there's some very quiet humming. But you'll never figure out who it is. So I would just leave it as it is: not crediting anyone for the vocals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crappo (talk • contribs) 21:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not dead set on adding it but just because there's more than one of them singing that doesn't mean that you shouldn't credit Efrim with singing when he clearly is doing so, does it? I think it should be added but since some people object then I won't add it. Vicissitudo (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, although not confirmed, it has been said that Efrim sings on their long-lost demo cassette All Lights Fucked on the Hairy Amp Drooling.

Moya provided most of the band's vocal input up until his depature, then an early recording of him was used at the start of 'Antennas to Heaven'. So I kind of agree that crediting Efrim as being Godspeed's main source of vocals seems wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.195.150 (talk) 12:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

That's interesting, where did you hear that? Vicissitudo (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the suggestion was that Efrim is considered the 'main' vocalist, but only that he contributes vocals. Ringo Starr was hardly the vocalist for the Beatles, but you still might say he is a vocalist because he sang in some songs. If Moya also contributed vocals, then we should put 'vocals' next to his name as well. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 23:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Yep, you're right. I don't see any reason why just because we don't know EVERYONE that did vocals in the band we shouldn't include the ones that are fairly clear-cut. For example, Efrim and Moya. Vicissitudo (talk) 11:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Related discussion - ASMZ page move

To hopefully generate some discussion about the possible renaming of the current ASMZ article, there are a couple of sections on it's talk page to try to generate a consensus. Lugnuts (talk) 18:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)