Talk:Goddard High School

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This article is in need of some cleanup and some expansion in order to meet the guidlines for a wikipedia article. If this is not possible, please nominate for speedy deletion. Flibbert (talk) 19:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

This school cannot be nominated for speedy deletion. Schools are inherently notable. Plus, notable alumne and home page prove it's existence. Undeath (talk) 06:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Why does the primary sources tag not apply, and can you point to the decision that stipulates that? If true, it seems to be a rather large hole in the Reliable sources policy]]. Pairadox (talk) 06:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

First off, there is a primary source which is the home page. Second. There is no rule, for schools, that states that a third party source is needed. Think about it this way, how many high schools are published in third party sources. I know there are a lot of them, but there are schools that are not. That is why third party sources do not apply to school articles. The main page is sufficient to prove the existence. Reliability can be proven with a google search for the school or just by looking over the web page. If you have more questions/comments/concerns, just ask. I'm going to sleep now though. Undeath (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure there is; it's the same one that applies to every other article on Wikipedia, WP:RS. Your "Think about it this way" logic doesn't make any sense because you could substitute the word "business" or "church" or "band" and the same would be true. That doesn't exempt them from the need for reliable third party sources, the core of Verifiability. Pairadox (talk) 07:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Look at WP:SCL for the guidelines. There is no rule about third party sources. Undeath (talk) 12:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

A proposed notability guideline does not supercede the policy on verifiability. Pairadox (talk) 12:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The "policy" does not cover any bit of schools in WP:N. WP:SCL is what is always quoted on AfD school debates and that is why the AfD is always a Keep. I understand that there are some made up schools, but with schools that are proven to exist, they are notable without discussion. If they were not notable, there would only be a few schools listed on wikipedia because only a select few have published third party sources. Undeath (talk) 13:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

(extend) Why not simply use the available material and work on the article? This school has more than 300 hits on Nexis - surely there is material here to work with, to establish notability without invoking the (silly) proposed guideline. (Use Google News, if you don't have access to Nexis.) Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I was trying to understand the claim that the primary sources tag cannot be used on school articles but haven't yet gotten a satisfactory answer. Instead there's been reference to a proposed notability guideline, some vague mention of AfD debates, and no response to the questions about Verifiability, as though WP:N somehow renders WP:V null and void. I don't buy it. Pairadox (talk) 02:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree - I should have been more clear, my suggestion was directed more to Undeath, who seems to have more of an interest in the article itself. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response. I just got done with a wrestling tournament. First off, I'm not "interested" in this article. I am only disagreeing with the WP:N vs WP:SCL. Technically, 90% of schools could be tagged with the non notable tag, as could most cities and places. The fact that I am trying to state, is that schools/places are inherently notable. 64.71.125.49 (talk) 03:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH A PRIMARY SOURCES TAG? Geez, I feel like I'm trying to communicate with a brick wall. Pairadox (talk) 09:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

If you do not change your tone, you will not recieve an answer from me either. The primary sources tag deals with OR. The article has no quoted information from the primary source nor does it contain any statistics from the primary source. The notable alumni was added from information dealing with another article/source. Undeath (talk) 20:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)