Talk:Glenn Beck/Archive 2

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Stop spreading falsehoods

Unless you can cite specific instances of things, I will continue to delete them. Mr. Beck never "threatened" Michael Moore. Only someone who takes quotes out of context would believe that he was "threatening" anyone. Please try to remain neutral. If you do not get his jokes or sarcasm, doesnt mean it is not there. As he doesn't speak primarily on politics, the statement that his show contains more humor than other shows (Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Shultz, etc.) is factually correct. I will continue to keep this article neutral. SkeeloBob 21:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Neutral? You wouldn't know "neutral" if it ran over you on the highway. This article might as well have been written by Beck's PR department. The fact is Beck said (and this is a direct quote:) "I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore." That is a threat. I get fed up with all these right-wing nutcases saying things like "Oh, he didn't really mean it" or "He's just joking." How in the f*** do you know what Beck really meant? The fact is, NONE of us really knows. But the point is Beck DID SAY that he is thinking of killing Moore. That is a threat, no matter how you Nazi nutcases try to spin it.

You're taking this out of context though. It's a joke, I heard him say it in his "I am saying crazy things" high pitched noise. Seriously now, you are preching about these damned right wing nutcases, and yet you sound like a left wing nutcase yourself. As for the Nazi comment, well, you just called every conservative (right wing nutcase) a Nazi. Next you're going to apologize and say you were kidding.

Please read WP:NPA. Thanks. --LV (Dark Mark) 02:26, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

anti-abortion vs. pro-life

There was a change stating that because Wikipedia redirects pro-life to anti-abortion that we should use anti-abortion. This is wrong for a number of reasons. Beck states that he is pro-life, and by that he means much more than anti-abortion. If Wikipedia makes the assumption that the two terms are co-terminous, that is the fault of Wikipedia, not Glenn Beck or this article. For instance, he was the most vocal defender of Terri Schiavo, which he considered to be a cause for pro-life, that had nothing to do with abortion. — Ram-Man (comment) (talk) 16:44, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Beck states that he is pro-life: I suppose that includes the lives of those "scumbags" in New Orleans, as he calls them?68.110.199.122 02:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
"Pro-Life" is a commonly used term to refer to those who oppose abortion. As such unless the person in question has made a distinctive effort to redefine that word it should be used to refer to opposition to abortion. I think wikipedia is right in refering to those who oppose abortion as being "anti-abortion" because this more accurately describes their position. Most anti-abortion people support some policies that involve the taking of life such as the death penalty, war, lack of funding for stem cell research etc. Presto-3 15:21, July 26, 2006 (UTC)
And people who define "lack of funding for stem cell research" as "taking of life" are known as liberals. Val42 04:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Presto-3, yesterday you removed the comment of mine above without comment on this talk page or in the "Edit summary". I just restored my comment. What would you call a conservative who removed your opinion from a public forum? Val42 02:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

New Orleans

Beck states that he is pro-life: I suppose that includes the lives of those "scumbags" in New Orleans, as he calls them?68.110.199.122 02:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I copied the above from the previous section because it was a "response" to that topic as well as starting a new topic itself. I'm glad that when this anonymous provided this similar sentiment on the main page that he at least provided a reference. That way, the anonymous' "synopsis" of the statement can be corrected. Thanks again to the Anonymous contributor. Val42 02:51, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
And, Yes, the anonymous poster would be correct. Even "scumbags" have a right to life. --Jared W 17:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Controversial Statements

Can we try and find more sources? Linking from just one site (mediamatters.org) gives the impression of bias. --Spunkz 04:58, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I removed the following comments from the article:

"This last section is biased and his comments were taken out of context his referral to Katrina scumbags had to do with those who would say they were looting to support their families but steal tvs, his comments about the 9/11 victims was actually about the families of 9/11 victims who blame President Bush for their deaths. Maybe before you add comments you should do a little more research."

--Spunkz 22:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't know why unfavorable statements end up on the Controversial Statements Catagory only days after the statements are made. When Glenn Beck speaks, he does not filter his statements to please those who disagree with him, and he seeks to entertain as he informs. Not taking away his anger towards Jimmy Carter, he decided to bring humor into the equation. This is not the place to discuss Carter's post-presidency record, but many believe that Carter has been detrimental to the cause of America and humanity.

At this rate, the Conrtoversial Statements will be much longer than anything else. There needs to be some discussion on which statements merit being put in the article.--The Saxon 17:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


First let me state that I actually watch Glen Beck, and when I came to this wikipedia article I was shocked that the New Orleans/9-11 victoms comments were not in here. Plus there is no mention of his decleration of World War III verses Iran. Are you seriously telling me that these comments don't rise to the level of being mentioned in the wikipedia article. Then I go into the discussion and see that the New Orleans comments were in, but then removed. Then i see comments like 'he seeks to entertain as he informs' and 'he brings humor into the equation'. These comments are blatently biased. I believe that Michael Richards could say that he was trying to be entertaining with his rant. But does that mean that story should not be a part of his wikipedia article. Certainlly not. Don't be biased with your edits. (66.173.230.50 00:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC))

Discussion

A while back, I think there was discussion about the killing Michael Moore bit. Perhaps that would be a good place to start. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 12:57, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

The Michael Moore thing doesn't bother me at all. Anyone who actually thinks that Glenn REALLY wants to choke Moore is just looking for a reason to hate (or continue to hate) Glenn. I think the qualifying phrase in that whole line is "In a comedy bit..." which should make it obvious that it was for humor.

Chancelot 14:30, 20 October 2005 (UTC) I think anyone reading the back and forth on this page and paying attention will get the best insight as to the nature of Glenn Beck's "controversy" than any actual comment. The mere fact that this article inspires people to begin commenting on the positions Beck has taken rather than actually discussing Beck himself shows the free speech system at work. Whether one agrees with his political positions or not is irrelevant until the first amendment is repealed. He discusses what he thinks is interesting, and enough people listen and agree with him to keep his show on the air... 208.50.126.126 23:48, 11 January 2006 (UTC)Random Sick Twisted Freak

"NO FANSITES"?

It appears that Glenn's show is no longer broadcast in Vancouver, so that part has been removed. I have also re-added the "fan sites". The removal of those sites is inconsistent with Wikipedia policy - if Glenn's fan sites are to be removed, it would only be fair to do the same for those of Al Franken and other talk radio hosts. 204.112.177.140 07:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Misc. (added to External links)

Added a link to the mediamatters.org entries for Glenn Beck, to balance out the gushingly cute pro-Glenn sites above. --65.248.243.100 22:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Beckian Traits

Glenn Beck occasionally breaks the traditional rule against dead air time. His long, silent pauses contradict the common wisdom that such absence of sound will result in loss of listeners. Also, he sometimes may be unconsciously imitating Howard Stern's voice. This is most notable when he lowers his voice to a confidential whisper. Lestrade 16:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)Lestrade

Glenn Beck Program

I've added the Glenn Beck Program as an new article. I took it from Glennpedia and based on this discussion page, it will need a lot of scrutiny. Please have at it. --Jared W 17:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

'Recent Event' Reference

There's an sentence that references 'recent events' without giving a relative timeframe: "As illegal immigration and other issues have come to the forefront in recent months..." I think perhaps this should be changed to mark an absolute date or removed entirely. A year from now, this will make no sense otherwise. --Jrb90 23:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

External links and the such..

Has anyone else noticed that ALL of the external links are pro-Beck in some way, shape or form? I think in the name of "balance," something touted on here quite a bit, other, less adoring info should be up. Try reading what Media Matters says about him (by actually linking to the site - the link on this page is bad) and his misinformation. If all you're doing is including links that take you to his list of "fake heartless corporations" and etc... then it's no more than an ad for this guy and his show.

The CNN link all the way at the bottom was not a "news article" - it was internal advertising by CNN for one of their shows. The two Media Matters links are good now but don't entirely balance out the frothing at the mouth adoration contained in the outrageous number of links above them.

I trimmed the list way down. I removed all the fan sites, and one redundant Media Matters page and one redundant Beck page. I didn't know what heading to use for the MMFA and DailyKos sites. You should think about getting an account. And please sign your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~) so it's easier to follow. Thanks. --LV (Dark Mark) 14:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I object to the fan sites being removed, especially Glennpedia. Neutrality is not the same as balance. If there are more pro-Glenn sites on the web, there should be more pro-Glenn sites listed here. Why shouldn't the external links be represented in their actual ratios. Listing sites that present an opposing view of Glenn is a great idea, but don't hide information from wikipedia readers in the name of artificial balance. --Jared W 23:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Beck on Radio, TV, Print, Stage

I have just added a Glenn Beck on Headline news section. Please review and enhance. I would like to trim down the Glenn Beck Program section, or rather, move much of the content to the Glenn Beck Program article. I'd also like to see the Book and Magazine section moved up with the Radio and Headline news section. If a Live events section is added then this article will feature a section for each of the mediums where Glenn appears. I will do this slowly and watch for objections. --Jared W 22:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I just condensed the Glenn Beck Program section. I was careful to preserve the old content in the Glenn Beck Program article. Since I am a Glenn Beck fan, I invite others to review my changes for NPOV. --Jared W 22:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I just added the Live Events section. I've uploaded an image to wikipedia incorrectly and it is subject to deletion. Can someone with more experience help me fix the licensing on that image before it is removed? I explained in the note that it has been provided for the public to download, but didn't know what licensing to choose. Thanks. --Jared W 16:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Career & Personal life

I separated out the Career and Early life and the Personal life sections into Career and Personal life. In doing this, there where a few gaps that needed to be filled. I think that having the personal life and professional life mixed together promoted a "touchy feely" sense in the career section. It is my hope that with them separated, a factual account of Glenn's career can now be presented. With this in mind, I intend to reintroduce a Criticism section with some of the content from the old Controversial statements section. I think that by placing it in the Career section, it will be able to be presented with a neutral point of view.

I expect to use Not Just Another Conservative as the primary resource when I create the Criticism category and encourage other editors to read it before editing this article. --Jared W 16:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Glancing though some of the Wikipedia:Featured articles I came across the Tony Blair article and I really like the way his [section] is done. I think we should model that section here. Here is some quick brain storming of ideas. --Jared W 16:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Section titled Criticism
  • Subsctions for...
    • Political Correctness (lack of it)
    • Michael Moore statements
    • Katrina Survivor statements
    • Hate monger accusations
    • Racist accusations
  • Should contain statements like, So and so accused Beck of _________
  • May contain statements from Glenn about the criticism

Global warming

I removed the following from Political views section.

However Beck has no degree or actual range of expertise in climatology... He has also never mentioned on his TV show or his radio program the fact that the National Academy of Sciences recently conducted an investigation at the behest of the Republican chairman of the House Science Committee to find out if global warming was occurring and if in fact it was being caused by humans. The National Academy of Sciences report that followed subsequently confirmed that global warming is no doubt real and is in also indisputably the result of human activity. Many people feel that Beck's continued denial of climate change in the face of overwhelming scientific opinion is irresponsible and misleading, if not outright dangerous.

That section is about Glenn's political views, not about disproving his opinions, pointing out his lack of education, or warning the world about his irresponsibility. There is a Criticism section now, and well sourced criticism can go there. --Jared W 03:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The information about global warming presented in the above paragraph is still available through the global warming, global climate change, and scientific opinion on climate change links which are still available in the text of the article. This seems appropriate and sufficient to me. --Jared W 04:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The statement "This despite the overwhelming non-partisan scientific consensus that global warming is in fact happening and is in fact being caused by human activity." is ironic since its context seems to prove Beck's point. There are plenty of good, solid scientific sources which disagree with human caused global warming. This statement shows the writer's bias not any facts. There are tons of unanswered questions about climate, so for anyone to claim they "Know" is premature and smacks of an agenda other than proving or disproving current theories.

RamaHanuKwanzMas

RamaHanuKwanzMas redirects to this Article but it is nowhere mentioned. --Majoran 11:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

It has been fixed. It is a stub article, but it is there. I want input from other Glenn Beck fans to provide citations and increase the information on said page. Val42 19:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone verify that Glenn Beck actually coined this term? The section concerning this word badly needs a citation.

Best Page in the Universe

To User:-Dense- and IP address 67.71.150.154,

The reason that I keep removing the *The Best Page In The Universe link is because it is not a site opposed to Beck. It is not even a page opposed to Beck. Glenn Beck is only mentioned in passing on that page. There is no commentary about why or what the author doesn't like about Beck. It doesn't make sense to me to link to that page from this article. --Jared W 14:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

 It is obviously just a "best page" fan trying to drum up more traffic for     
 the failing site. I've seen the in other site forums and chat rooms 
 tossing the link around for the same purpose, on a few occasions. I wish
 them luck, though it doesn't really seem to be working. Trying it on wiki
 is just inappropriate, however.

More-on Trivia

I have added a paragraph on more-on trivia, as this is an important part of beck's show. I also added an external link to the More-on trivia fansite, per the rule for fansites, found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links Color me invisible 13:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I Agree, but...

I agree with 157.201.154.219 that the whole critisms section should be redone, but I do not think that it should have been deleted. I am going to work on maybe writing a new one, providing quotes in context. I do agree that the entire section is NPOV. I personally think that the critism section should show only critism by outside sources. I will definitly try and rewrite the critism section. I do not want to delete the section! I also suggest that 157.201.154.219 should get an account ( if you read this ). Posts can be signed by just adding ~~~~ at the end of your post. Color me invisible 16:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I restored the criticism section that 157.201.154.219 half-way deleted. I assume that you mean that the section is not NPOV. Please help me understand what is wrong with it. --Jared W 21:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Changes to Criticism

I am working on changing the critism section, as I think that some of it is taken out of context, and needs to show what Beck actually said. For instance, he did not call a random poor family in New Orleans "scumbags", he was referring to those survivors who had taken to kill rescue workers, raping and pillaging. Other comments listed on the critism page are also taken out of context, and I think that they need to show the full quote in its context. Color me invisible 14:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to save a synopsis of what I wrote on your user page here.
  • A criticism section is not the same as a controversial statements section.
  • A criticism section should be a place that predominately presents what Glenn's critics say, not what Glenn says. (although some rebuttal is appropriate)
  • A lot of full context statements will clog the article (it has been tried here before). You'd have to create a separate Glenn Beck, controversial statements article to cover it.
  • I think the important points for the section are:
    • Not everyone agrees with Glenn, some people hate him ... a lot
    • There have been organized efforts by opponents to end his career
    • The opposition increased exponentially when he started his TV show
    • Many of his critics hate him just because he is a prominent conservative, not really because of anything he says.
Good luck with the rewrite, and try to avoid the tendency to fill this article with quotes from Glenn. --Jared W 15:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Ellison incident

Beck asked Ellison for a moment of political incorrectness which the Congressman-elect obliged. During the interview, Beck implied that there was a burden of proof on Muslims to "prove to me that you are not working with our enemies," and that "that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way." The interview has drawn the ire of bloggers and was featured on Jon Stewart's "The Daily Show." This is more appropriate, if at all, for the criticism section. But is this even a noteworthy episode? Liberals disapproved and commented about it, but it doesn't seem to be any more unique than any of Beck's other incidents. The whole quote of Beck actually much less significant than this entry makes it appear: "[W]hat I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.'" That suggests that Beck isn't even willing to go that far himself, but that's his inclination, and he wanted to give Ellison a chance to respond. I don't know that this entry is notable, or that it's NPOV to describe the actual criticism. Zz414 03:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Beck's special "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda" on November 15, 2006, was rated the #1 show on all cable news in the 25-54 demographic.[10] The report presented clips from Middle Eastern television, interviews with former terrorists, and other media that Beck asserted had been overlooked by the Western media. I was the one who wrote the piece on the Ellison interview and I must say that if you're going to include the aforementioned quote which makes Glenn look like a hero and shows a POV from the right then the Ellison interview should certainly be there, at least to balance it out and neutralize the point of view. It's not like what I posted was rhetoric on my part that tried to distort what Beck said, it was his words. I think it may not be something that everyone remembers when he's dead and buried but it is certainly relevant today and depicts a complete image of his persona, that he opnely stated he doubts Muslim Americans and believes that Congressman-elect Ellison is infiltrating Congress. Would he be casting those shadows of doubt if Ellison was a Republican? I'm open to a debate and being inclusive of the bit of the article that is italisized above if my section is as well. Stephen 00:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to make him look like a hero--I cut down about 75% of that portion, which originally was much more pro-Beck, if you'll look at the history of edits. The only reason it's at all relevant (in my opinion) is because of the ratings it gave him. If the entire quotation from Beck is in the proper context (one of my original concerns was that it wasn't the actual context), then I'm open to including it. But I'd feel much more comfortable if a more neutral non-POV source, such as [1], were used as the basis for the episode. Thoughts? Zz414 00:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I moved it and included the news source link. Based on Ellison's "shrugging off," I'm still not sure it's newsworthy, but I'll leave it for now. Zz414 20:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Once again, someone edited to include various POV citations and expanded the entry to give it undue weight--Olberman's "Worst Person" award and Media Matters coverage are relevant, but they shouldn't be controlling for this single incident. Thoughts on reverting? Zz414 13:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe that it is a noteworthy item. It is a good demonstration of the type of criticism that Glenn receives. The mediamatters blogs where especially alight with this topic and the mention of Olberman's worst person in the world award also seems approprate. It is very difficult to present criticism of Glenn in an NPOV way that satisfies both sides. I think that incidents like this that generate several external links to news stories and blogs is one of the best ways to present criticism of Glenn to a reader. As always, listening to or watching Glenn's shows will always be the best way to put criticism of him into context. --Jared W 16:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Also in the current version it says: "the TV host's insult". Calling it an 'insult' seems to be POV. Also one should keep the noted criticism by Olberman and others - as it is a section devoted to criticism after all, not just describing interviews. IMO it's very representive of the type of criticism Glenn recieves, and the reasons he recives them. I don't see why one would object to linking media matters for this interview - it is after all used for the other topics in the criticism section. -- User:SuluG 10:20, 20 November 2006 (PST)


The current wording is highly - how to put it - one-sided. The current wording is, in fact, completely misleading. It is out of context, plain and simple, to not include any lead-up to the question.
Current revision: "In November 2006, Beck drew criticism on Jon Stewart's "The Daily Show" and Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" for asking Congressman-Elect Keith Ellison of Minnesota, the first American Muslim to be elected to Congress, to "prove to me that you are not working with our enemies".[12] Olbermann named Beck the winner of the "Worst Person in the World" award for his comments.[13] Ellison shrugged it off. "It's just shock TV," he said. "Some pundits think they have to ask the most outrageous questions."
Glenn Beck talked about this on his radio show shortly afterward, yet nothing is mentioned of his response. I find it highly misleading, being someone that listens to him regularly, to call this "shock television." The quote may be worth mentioning, but it is highly unbalanced with its only companion being an "award" from the (notoriously-biased-according-to-some) Olbermann. If this entry isn't made more balanced... well, it'll only confirm what I already knew about Wikis. But I won't get into that. (I'd do it myself but apparently some of you - very often those that won't even read the Discussion page - frown upon giving the whole truth when conservatives look bad otherwise.) And if you don't see why one would object to linking to Media Matters... may as well throw this page to the dogs. They're okay to give criticism (which means they may fit in this section), but certainly NOT okay to give authoritative nonpartisan opinions. - Glynth 11:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The current version accurately depicts what Beck was criticised for saying without getting into long tomes (and thus adding more weight to the section). If you have a link to Becks response please include it in the response to criticism section. I was unable to find any. As for Media Matters - *shrug*, its been used as a source for other incidents for criticism, so i don't see why one would object to its use for the Ellison interview. Regardless the actual criticism is only linked from MSNBC and the Star Tribune. Media Matters is only used to provide a transcript and video of what Beck said. If you can find another (more neutral) site for the transcript and/or video, please feel free to include it instead. -- User:SuluG 11:15, 30 November 2006 (PST)
I thinks this has been settled. The final result was just fine. But removing the context where he doesn't just ask outright "prove you're not working for our enemies" but does qualify it with "what I feel like saying" is important. Removing that casts Beck in a more negative light intentionally as POV. Zz414 19:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

In reviewing the recent change, a couple of points standout: First, the current version is not an accurate portrayal of what Beck said. Compare the actual quotation-

Glenn Beck: And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.

And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way.

Clearly Beck is not only saying " if he understood that some Americans may feel like asking ". Nor is it the reason Beck was criticised. Refer to the linked MSNBC and Star Tribune articles. Secondly, the criticism section is to document what criticism Beck has received, not to insert 'contextual qualifiers' which might make Beck 'look' one way or the other. I thought the original version was more neutral as it didn't cast any hidden aspirations on what Beck might have 'meant'. I don't see the "what I feel like saying" portion relevant enough to include in the article as it dosn't change the meaning of what was said either way (If someone says "I question your patriotism" or "I feel like questioning your patriotism" - it's the same thing - he is questioning your patriotism). If you do feel that section is important, then please add the entire quote: what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies." instead. -- SuluG 16:35, 30 November 2006 (PST)

I think that instead of trying to justify or clarify what Beck was saying with an explanation from one's interpretation of the interview, it would be better to add the full quote: "And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies. And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way." and then point out the responses to his remarks.--Folksong 10:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with that. Zz414 12:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a reminder, this is the entire quote:
BECK: OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. I've been to mosques. I really don't believe that Islam is a religion of evil. I -- you know, I think it's being hijacked, quite frankly.
With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, let's cut and run. And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.
And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way.
Adding the entire quote as a comprise is not an adequate solution. The criticism section should not be a list of what Beck said, but rather what criticism he received. Maybe it would be better to remove the entire quote and simply say 'Beck was criticized for apparently questioning Ellison’s patriotism' and linking to the actual conversation. Ellison’s comments should also be removed - he was responding to a question asked by a reporter, not criticizing Beck. -- SuluG 19:00, 02 November 2006 (PST)
But the two are inextricably tied. If you're going to give some of the quotation, you've got to give the whole thing. It's unfair POV to keep a fraction of the quotation and then point out the criticism, when in fact the quotation was much more than that. It casts a negative light on Beck because the quotation is deliberately misleading out of context. He was criticized for a component of that quotation, but that shouldn't prevent this article from remaining neutral by giving the whole quotation. And Ellison's response is also relevant, because it directly addresses the quotation and the circumstance under which he was criticized. It's negative POV to Beck to slant everything as a part of a quotation and the criticism, just as it would be positive POV to exclude the whole section or to include only the quotation and Ellison's response without mention of the criticism. The context, on both sides, is important to avoid selective POV. Zz414 14:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
OK. I have editied it to remove the entire quotation and simply said "allegedy questioning the patriotism of Kieth Ellison" instead. Since the actual quotations were not used in other incidents of criticism for Glenn Beck - 911/Katrina victims, Michael Moore, etc, maybe it's best we don't include any quotation for this incident as well. - SuluG 22:00, 03 November 2006 (PST)
I think that's a good edit. Zz414 19:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Beck OBSESSED With "The Apocalypse"

Perhaps Glenn Beck's dark, deeply personal obsession with "The Apocalypse" and/or "End Times" should be mentioned in this article. Hardly a show goes by where he doesn't mention these subjects, with every show offering a new 'prediction' as to when the "Tribulation" will begin. I know he's simply pandering to his right-wing Christian viewership in order to boost ratings on an otherwise sensationalistic, loud, and moronic show, but he personally seems very serious about the predictions of his on-air 'specialists,' so maybe this obsession of his warrants a mention. We can call the section the "Glenn Beck Apoca-Meter," charting the number of mentions/segments found in the show's history. --Pseudothyrum 04:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

if you listen to what Glen says he relly isnt "pandering to his right-wing viewership", he is makeing fun of the fact how everything is blown out of porportion. he is overexagerating like the news does. Razor romance 15:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to disagree with Razor Romance. I've been a casual Glenn Beck listener for several years, and his apocalyptic talk is not a joke, nor is it satirical. I'm not sure it rises to the level of Wikipedia-worthy, but to characterize it as satire is **totally** inaccurate. --Skidoo 14:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

"Hate Speech"

I removed the incident and its POV-header. It seems little more than a common joke that Americans make about the French, and the "outcry" listed seems limited to a couple of non-noteworthy blogs. Zz414 22:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

"Response to Criticism"

The link does not work. I am removing the link and the quote associated to it.

Well, the link not working is not necessarily reason to immediately delete it. It's been cited there a while. Although it's good that you bring it up here so we can see if an alternate version can be found, etc. Mad Jack 18:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Why did you remove the links to audio where he talked about michael moore —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.109.156.13 (talk) 18:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC).
Ah, I did a mass revert because I didn't think this part (""No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"") interpreted as this ("Glen Beck threatened to kill Michael Moore. He mentioned how he would look him in the eye while choking him to death. ") was fair. When it comes to something as highly contentious as that, it's probably best to just use his original quote Mad Jack 18:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)