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Is non-nude pin-up photography really not considered 'glamour photography'? DJ Clayworth 18:12, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you entirely DJ: pictures of Betty Grable, Joan Collins etc. were most certainly glamour photography. The extra skin exposure today is just a sign of changing mores; if there was a massive backlash against nudity, we'd simply see the swimsuit images returning again. Also, note all the "semi-nudie" magazines like Maxim that are now displacing the old softcore pornographic magazines in the market niche for mild titillation.
I've edited the article appropriately.-- Karada 23:44, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps it should be noted that "glamor photographs" in America imply no nudity. Instead, they are professional photographs taken with the intent of portraying the woman (usually) in a particularly flattering way, often involving soft focus, a makeover, and a borrowed wardrobe.Juniper Ann 05:31, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Shaun McManus

Is there a photographer Shaun McManus. This linked to Shaun McManus a sportsman, who seems to have nothing to do with glamour photography. -- Beardo 00:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm really disappointed with this definition of glamour photography. Glamour photography originated in Hollywood to "glamorize" celebrities. While in Dec. 1953 Hugh Hefner introduced nudity to glamour photography, glamour photography doesn't have to include nudity. Glamour photography is NOT "erotic." Erotic photography is a separate genre. Hustler is not glamour photography neither is Penthouse, not even in Europe where I lived for three years. The same with "fine-art nudes," which are artistic nudes, not glamour.

[edit] Disputed statements

It's sad that someone here continues to add words like penetration, erotic, Hustler, etc., to the definition of glamour photography. Let's not dilute the definition of glamour in glamour photography anymore. I repeat, as a professional glamour photographer, author, writer and speaker on the subject at places like Photo Plus Expo in NYC, glamour photography is nothing, nothing, about Hustler, penetration, etc., and wikipedia is totally wrong to include such words in the definition. Rolandogomez 15:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)Rolando Gomez.

I agree as well, which is why I added the {{dubious}} to the article. Of course, most glamour photography in the late 20th century and 21st century involves nudity, but the photographers and the models never shoot with the full intention of arousing the viewer. I think this article needs to clearly state the difference between Softcore and glamour. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 11:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some gripes I have with this article.

  1. Glamour photography is a touchy subject from the perspective of the models, photographers and glamour enthusiasts, since it pushes the line between class and crass, for lack of better word. We need a clear distinction between "glamour pics" and "sofcore porn", which are both very similar, but are on two different sides of the "moral" line. As I understand, Glamour photography is photography that is emphisised on the models themselves and not what they wear, as that is fashion modeling. Softcore porn is the explicit focus on sex, which includes emulating sexual activity or having a main focus on the subject's sexual organs (breasts and backside included).
  2. There's not a single reference in this article, which makes me believe this whole thing is original research. These articles are as believable and credible as where they get the information from. This article needs verifiable sources.
  3. It needs expansion to reflect on the changes of Glamour since the '30s. Glamour has dramatically changed in the last seventy years.

Hopefully we can have this article GA'ed when we have this dealt with. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 06:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess an issue I have is that the main sites mentioned and then linked at the bottom are actually commenrcial sites as such quite a part of the article is in a sense spam. If it could be developed as a proper article fine - otherwise I question it's validity -- Nigel (Talk) 07:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
You are right. I've removed the last of the spam. --SandyDancer 00:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguate?

It seems that there is a large difference between the British Englisn definition of glamour photography (essentially softcore pornography) and the American English definition which can include any subject-centred photography (eg that of Hollywood Stars). This article is most certainly bias towards the British English definition. Perhaps we should introduce a dismabiguation page and then two articles? A1octopus 22:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Or just accept that the American view you cite is a minority one, reference this minority view in the article, and be done with it? --SandyDancer 15:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First PB cover

I'm probably splitting hairs but didn't the first cover of PB feature Marilyn Monroe with a revealing dress instead of a nude photograph? While it probably was the raciest US magazine cover yet and PB certainly did start the revolution so to say, I think it should be noted that it wasn't that much different from other magazine covers that had pinups of movie stars on them. I would change the sentence if I wasn't too lazy to find a picture of the cover to check if I'm correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.248.142.104 (talk) 08:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC).

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You are correct that MM was not nude on the cover, but she was indeed nude on the inside. The cover photo simply shows her smiling and waving. I have changed the sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.222.71.194 (talk) 19:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] second photo in this article

doesn't look very glamorous to me (title is "nude photography in bangkok"). Is this really relevant? 80.230.97.113 20:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a photograph of a glamour photographer, not a glamour photograph itself. So the picture the man with the camera is taking would obviously be something different, as it's taken from an entirely different angle. In theory, yes, it's a good idea to get the photographer's perspective—something about the process rather than just the end product. I'm not so sure, though, about this particular image—is the man actually a professional glamour photographer?.--Pharos 23:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Popular portraiture' section

This should really be split into a different article. Eleven-year-old girls who go to a shopping mall to get a "glamorous" portrait of themselves with their hair blown have nothing to do with this genre of pseudopornography which the rest of this article is about. I can't think of a good name for an article on the mall photo shops, though.--Pharos 20:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Umm, the point of glamour is to give the most physically appealing image of a photographed person as possible, even if you have to borderline erotica. --wL<speak·check> 21:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merkin image

The image of Michele Merkin is a badly photoshopped composite, so it should stayu out unless and until we have a reliable source describing this image as a good example of the genre. Guy (Help!) 14:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

That it's "badly photoshopped" may be your opinion, but many folks in the featured picture debate felt it was a good example of the genre. Do you suggest a higher-quality photo to use in its place? Videmus Omnia Talk 14:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Who cares if it's retouched? That seemed to be your reason for removing the image originally. Virtually all glamor photos are manipulated in some way and always have been. If consensus holds that the image was poorly composed and poorly retouched, I agree it should probably go. But don't assume that everyone sees the picture as you see it. I also find it mildly preposterous that every image must be accompanied by a source indicating that the image in question is a "representative example of the" article subject. We'd have to say goodbye to an awful lot of illustrations were this guideline actually in place. Those sort of questions (i.e., is this a good example or not) can be worked out among editors themselves. --The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 14:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Definition

"Glamour photography is the photographing of a model with the emphasis on the subject." This strikes me as incomplete and inaccurate, at best. It could very well be an alternative definition of portrait photography. The focus of glamour photography on the erotic aspects of the subject and the fact that glamour photography is almost always about poses of females should be included in the definition, as well. -The Gnome (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

That statement is backed by sources$. If you can find a good third party source it could be defined that way. --wL<speak·check> 07:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll try to find some. In the meantime, the links to the two sources currently cited in the article (i.e. this and this) are obsolete.-The Gnome (talk) 09:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The links were broken because of a change in how the database processes URLs. I changed the links so they can work. -wL<speak·check> 21:26, 20 December 2007 (UTC)