Talk:Giora Epstein

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[edit] Modern day record

...as Erich Hartmann's all time record of 352 kills.

What is a "modern-day record?" Doesn't a record indicated it being an all-time record, by definition? If the above italicized sentence from the Flying Ace article indicates that Hartmann holds a record of 352 kills, what sense does it make to state that Epstein has a record of 17 kills? If I start the clock over from today, I can claim to hold every record imaginable, from high-jumping and the 50 meter dash to fastest breaststroke mile to, well, most planes shot down. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 22:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Record

It should say jet age record, because getting kills with a jet is signifigantly harder than with a piston plane. For one, there were many more piston planes made during the World Wars, Tens of Thousands, right now, the United States Air Force only has 7500 planes, many non-combat, compared to the huge amount in the World Wars. So if you compare the number of planes and the quality of the planes between the two eras (Piston and Jet) the Jet age record belongs to Giora Epstein, with 17.Joeycfc 16:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Added to that is the fact that the G-stresses experienced by a jet pilot is severalfold higher than a piston/turboprop aircraft. There are several other differences which make BVR the primary "killer" as compared to dogfights; some of them being:

> The closure velocity is manyfold higher and hence the window of attack is very small. > The training of pilots is rigorous at least and therefore even an inexperienced, but well trained pilot is a formidable opponent. In contrast, many of the WW1 and WW2 pilot (actually the overwhelming majority) were inexperienced and were not trained to the extent that modern day pilots are... especially when it comes to tactics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.35.172 (talk) 10:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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