Talk:General authority

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[edit] Continuing revelation

Time to fix this article. See

[edit] Capitalization

As general authority is not actually a title, but an informal description of church leaders who have general authority in the Church, it seems that the name of this article should not be capitalized, under Wikipedia conventions. It's also the practice of a lot of modern historians not to capitalize it. Any objections? COGDEN 01:11, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You've convinced me. Go for it. Alanyst 04:14, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The church-owned Deseret News Church Almanac routinely capitalizes "General Authority" so why not follow their usage?--L.E./12.144.5.2/le@put.com
I did a Google search on the deseretnews.com website, which yielded only 6 pages in which general authority was capitalized out of about 77 total usages of the term. Thus, it appears that the Deseret News is more likely not to capitalize general authority. In a similar google search of the lds.org site, I found that only 11 out of 149 pages (mostly church press releases) do not capitalize general authority. But that's not surprising, since the church tends to be pretty quick to capitalize. This probably stems from the Quaint 19th Century practice of capitalizing words for Emphasis, which early church leaders were fond of doing. But the fact that the church often does not capitalize general authority indicates a lack of strong preference by the church. That being the case, I say we should stick to common Wikipedia practice of not capitalizing common nouns. Therefore, I'm going to move the page. If anyone has any strong feelings on the subject, we can discuss moving it back. COGDEN 22:50, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
The most recent edition of The Style Guide for Publications of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints says to capitalize "General Authority." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.29.163.1 (talk) 03:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think we generally follow that. The LDS Church capitalizes a lot of terms that WP does not. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Folklore Section

The folklore section confuses me. I don't really see the point of including it in its current form. Any thoughts? --TrustTruth 23:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of GAs

168 and 169 have been used in the article as the number of GAs would exist if 2 quorums of the 70 were filled to capacity. Where does this number come from?

I get 3 (First Presidency) + 12 (Apostles) + 3 (Presiding Bishopric) + 140 (2 full Seventy quorums) + 7 (Presidents of Seventy) = 165

Would be curious to see where the other numbers come from. Are we assuming more than 2 counselors in First Presidency? -SESmith 09:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Just poor math skills. 140 Seventies, 3 First Presidency, 3 Presiding Bishopric, 12 Apostles, 1 Patriarch = 159, not 169. I've fixed the footnote. Paul D. Anderson 20:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, I see. I had forgotten the Patriarch to the Church and assumed the 7 Presidents were separate from the full Quorums. The 159 number makes more sense to me. -SESmith 21:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Maximum" number of GAs

Although it's probably OK to include information on the current number of GAs (see discussion above), on reflection I don't know if it's at all helpful or even accurate to provide information on the "maximum" number of GAs that could exist. First, even if no new quorums were created that had GA status, the First Presidency could always have more than 3 members by the calling of additional Counselors in the First Presidency, which essentially means that the maximum number of GAs (and 1st Pres Counselors) is unlimited. Second, new quroums (e.g. of Seventy) could be given GA status. Third, other positions could always be created and given GA status as Assistants to the Twelve were in the past. Fourth, presidencies of the YM and Sunday School could be given GA status. I don't think the church hierarchy sees the potential number of GAs being "limited" somehow. What does everyone think? -SESmith 23:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, "emeritus" general authorities—aren't they still technically "general authorities"? An example is Eldred G. Smith the Patriarch Emeritus. He still receives a GA stipend and is still given office space and parking at the Church Office Building, as are members of the Seventy who have been given emeritus status. These persons are not included in the church's Ensign "centerfold" of the GAs, but I don't think that in any way means they are not still GAs. -SESmith 23:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)